Comair updates?
07-21-2012, 08:40 PM
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Evil, If I'm wrong, tell me where I'm wrong. Back up your facts about the DAL MEC coming to the OH MEC with a list of demands. They asked for preferential hiring. That's it. If we came with equal pay than what we were making, maybe i dunno'. Do you have a problem with that? If you do, fine. Strike that. Can we come over and not crap-can our multiple years of cloud plowing and start over? Any other regional on the planet was fine with that. That answer is easy.
I've heard countless versions of what happened between JC and the DAL MEC. Believe what you want, it doesn't really matter anymore.
But here's the thing - do you really think Comair management decided not to hire Delta furloughs because of what JC Lawson though about it? If anything, had he supported it, Comair management would jumped at the chance to squeeze something out of us in exchange. (This is the same management team than had us stop carrying a small basket of starlight mints because it would save fuel. Seriously.) But of course, JC didn't, so here we are.
My new-hire class had furloughs from American, USAir and others who had resigned their seniority to come to Comair. Some carriers ignored the resignation letters, others didn't.
As you said, water under the bridge.
Way back when, OH had an MCO base. DAL did too, and a fairly big one.
So OH goes on strike. Many, like myself supported that action, and as we lived there, suited up, drove over, and walked the line with those guys. I'm here to tell you, it was quite a few.
Fast forward to the post 9-11 events, and we furlogh. Then all the Lawson etc... BS goes down.
Who were the guys most affected? MCO was the junior base. Who walked the OH picket line? So you can see how logistics set up to make it a more poignant issue.
Yes you're right, many came over with "trash can" resignation letter agreements. We didn't have that. Not a gamble I would have taken.
07-21-2012, 09:38 PM
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Delta management decided to not let Delta pilots go to Comair without giving up their number.. Delta could have MADE Comair the puppet airline take the guys. So it was Delta's fault.
(and also asked for more and larger RJ's as part of that agreement and then sued for relative seniority integration).
The problem was/is not with the managements of the airlines, it was with the ComAir MEC's actions relative to that. Capice?
07-23-2012, 05:54 AM
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Evil, believe who you think is most credible. I'm not trying to persuade you. Like I said, I'm not basing my opinion on events that happened years before my time, I was directly involved. But you don't know my from Adam, so I don't expect you do take what I say as the gospel either.
It was your initial comment about the way things went down that got me riled up.
So let me put it this way:
Hypothetically, OH shuts down. You get shown the door. You go looking for work. Everybody in the country says "hey, apply to us, we'll look at you", except SkyWest. They say sure, but anything you have in your 401k you forfeit. (I'm sure there's plenty wrong with this analogy, but you get my point, as giving up a OH seniority number wouldn't mean much at ths point they're gone)
So you're kinda ****ed at Skywest, whether you applied there or not. Now, years later somebody comes along and says, "well sure, those guys should've donated ther 401k money, that's only right".
That's basically what the OH fo said to me, and kinda what I took your initial post to mean. Maybe I misread.
At any rate, I've sad it before, I'll say it again. At DAL usually cooler heads prevail. I'd be happy to have the good OH guys over here if you want to come.
Boomer comes to mind, he's a must have.
Yourself, working things out instead of insisting on being right no matter what, and captainv...rational, sharp....seems like a good guy.
If you know staylow, tell him "don't bother."
p.s., as to dismantling an efficient revenue stream, is that really the case? Or should I say, the MOST efficient. If they can find cheaper labor elsewhere? I feel your frustration. You'd think you might get rewarded for being a loyal underling for many years, but that's just not how it works. To fix this thing, regionals, I'm sorry to say, have to get killed off. All that flying, down to the smallest a/c needs to be under one umbrella. Might not be realistic, but that's how I vote.
It was your initial comment about the way things went down that got me riled up.
So let me put it this way:
Hypothetically, OH shuts down. You get shown the door. You go looking for work. Everybody in the country says "hey, apply to us, we'll look at you", except SkyWest. They say sure, but anything you have in your 401k you forfeit. (I'm sure there's plenty wrong with this analogy, but you get my point, as giving up a OH seniority number wouldn't mean much at ths point they're gone)
So you're kinda ****ed at Skywest, whether you applied there or not. Now, years later somebody comes along and says, "well sure, those guys should've donated ther 401k money, that's only right".
That's basically what the OH fo said to me, and kinda what I took your initial post to mean. Maybe I misread.
At any rate, I've sad it before, I'll say it again. At DAL usually cooler heads prevail. I'd be happy to have the good OH guys over here if you want to come.
Boomer comes to mind, he's a must have.
Yourself, working things out instead of insisting on being right no matter what, and captainv...rational, sharp....seems like a good guy.
If you know staylow, tell him "don't bother."
p.s., as to dismantling an efficient revenue stream, is that really the case? Or should I say, the MOST efficient. If they can find cheaper labor elsewhere? I feel your frustration. You'd think you might get rewarded for being a loyal underling for many years, but that's just not how it works. To fix this thing, regionals, I'm sorry to say, have to get killed off. All that flying, down to the smallest a/c needs to be under one umbrella. Might not be realistic, but that's how I vote.
Well said sir. At the present I'm pretty much over that situation. I don't think one side or the other is 100% "guilty" of what happened back then. Anyhow, right now a bit more concerned with Comair's future (or lack of). I'd love to go back but understand the mechanics of business. You did bring up one excellent point, in this industry loyalty means squat!.
Btw, you in MCO?. I live in d-town.
07-23-2012, 09:07 AM
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07-23-2012, 11:49 AM
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The RJDC didn't drive anything though, they sued ALPA national (not DALPA as many seem to think) for DFR. It was not controlled by the jokers on the Comair MEC. It was ran by a self aggrandizing fool, who loved to tell people how smart he was.
I think what they did was stupid and wasn't there when it started but lets at least get things factually correct.
I think what they did was stupid and wasn't there when it started but lets at least get things factually correct.
07-23-2012, 09:49 PM
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Oh it's hangin okay! Just sweating my butt off down here in ATL! It's a whole different world here at Delta! I miss Comair sometimes and the tight nit work groups we had. Just been making sure the aircraft stay on the schedule and out of the hangar!
Just sweating my butt off down here in ATL! It's a whole different world here at Delta! I miss Comair sometimes and the tight nit work groups we had. Just been making sure the aircraft stay on the schedule and out of the hangar!
anyone knows what happens to those us who took the buyout w travel benefits.
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