Comair updates?
07-15-2012, 01:39 PM
I have shiny jet syndrome
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
Posts: 984
I can tell you that the last 3 CMR MEC administrations tried very hard to undo the harm that was done by the select few at the top during the JC era with both the DAL MEC and with DL management. I know they tried hard because I worked in various positions for those 3 MECs.
Ultimately, Comair's fate was determined by those sitting in Atlanta. Comair management really didn't "manage" Comair in the business sense, they only managed in the day-to-day operations. The suits in Atlanta actually steered the course for Comair and ultimately basically threw away an asset that they paid $1.6 Billion for (give or take a few hundred million). Delta management is the one to blame for not investing in Comair and not growing it and failing to bring its costs down. Delta management is the one that drug Comair into the sham bankruptcy. Whether or not that's payback for the strike? Who really knows for sure? But ultimately, Comair's failure is Delta management's failure.
Ultimately, I know for a fact that the CMR MEC tried tirelessly to mend the relationship. Unfortunately, everyone at CMR got shat on (can I say that, shat?? It's not really a word. If I get a "warning" for it, oh well) by Delta and ALPA National.
I left Comair for greener pastures a while ago, but I'm proud to have been able to work with most everyone there at Comair and I certainly wish everyone the best! There is life after Comair and no matter what happens I know that the professional aerial conveyance facilitators at Comair will land on their feet.
Ultimately, Comair's fate was determined by those sitting in Atlanta. Comair management really didn't "manage" Comair in the business sense, they only managed in the day-to-day operations. The suits in Atlanta actually steered the course for Comair and ultimately basically threw away an asset that they paid $1.6 Billion for (give or take a few hundred million). Delta management is the one to blame for not investing in Comair and not growing it and failing to bring its costs down. Delta management is the one that drug Comair into the sham bankruptcy. Whether or not that's payback for the strike? Who really knows for sure? But ultimately, Comair's failure is Delta management's failure.
Ultimately, I know for a fact that the CMR MEC tried tirelessly to mend the relationship. Unfortunately, everyone at CMR got shat on (can I say that, shat?? It's not really a word. If I get a "warning" for it, oh well) by Delta and ALPA National.
I left Comair for greener pastures a while ago, but I'm proud to have been able to work with most everyone there at Comair and I certainly wish everyone the best! There is life after Comair and no matter what happens I know that the professional aerial conveyance facilitators at Comair will land on their feet.
07-15-2012, 05:50 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: 121 FO
Posts: 209
Hmmm does this mean I might finally get my merger contingency fund back? Might need that for my dinner contingency fund in sometime in september!
I liked friday's "don't panic" email from the union. I finally figured out the "rebuilding" logo is actually us being buried after our funeral. 6 years of dues down the toilet for nothing!!!
I liked friday's "don't panic" email from the union. I finally figured out the "rebuilding" logo is actually us being buried after our funeral. 6 years of dues down the toilet for nothing!!!
07-15-2012, 05:55 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: "if it's got wings, I can crash it".
Posts: 886
I can tell you that the last 3 CMR MEC administrations tried very hard to undo the harm that was done by the select few at the top during the JC era with both the DAL MEC and with DL management. I know they tried hard because I worked in various positions for those 3 MECs.
Ultimately, Comair's fate was determined by those sitting in Atlanta. Comair management really didn't "manage" Comair in the business sense, they only managed in the day-to-day operations. The suits in Atlanta actually steered the course for Comair and ultimately basically threw away an asset that they paid $1.6 Billion for (give or take a few hundred million). Delta management is the one to blame for not investing in Comair and not growing it and failing to bring its costs down. Delta management is the one that drug Comair into the sham bankruptcy. Whether or not that's payback for the strike? Who really knows for sure? But ultimately, Comair's failure is Delta management's failure.
Ultimately, I know for a fact that the CMR MEC tried tirelessly to mend the relationship. Unfortunately, everyone at CMR got shat on (can I say that, shat?? It's not really a word. If I get a "warning" for it, oh well) by Delta and ALPA National.
I left Comair for greener pastures a while ago, but I'm proud to have been able to work with most everyone there at Comair and I certainly wish everyone the best! There is life after Comair and no matter what happens I know that the professional aerial conveyance facilitators at Comair will land on their feet.
Ultimately, Comair's fate was determined by those sitting in Atlanta. Comair management really didn't "manage" Comair in the business sense, they only managed in the day-to-day operations. The suits in Atlanta actually steered the course for Comair and ultimately basically threw away an asset that they paid $1.6 Billion for (give or take a few hundred million). Delta management is the one to blame for not investing in Comair and not growing it and failing to bring its costs down. Delta management is the one that drug Comair into the sham bankruptcy. Whether or not that's payback for the strike? Who really knows for sure? But ultimately, Comair's failure is Delta management's failure.
Ultimately, I know for a fact that the CMR MEC tried tirelessly to mend the relationship. Unfortunately, everyone at CMR got shat on (can I say that, shat?? It's not really a word. If I get a "warning" for it, oh well) by Delta and ALPA National.
I left Comair for greener pastures a while ago, but I'm proud to have been able to work with most everyone there at Comair and I certainly wish everyone the best! There is life after Comair and no matter what happens I know that the professional aerial conveyance facilitators at Comair will land on their feet.
07-15-2012, 06:33 PM
I have shiny jet syndrome
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
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Supposedly the 2 hour pilot episode has been shot and is ready, but they're not sure if they are going to actually air it or put it straight to DVD and scrap the whole series all together. I guess they're going to go with more wrestling on SyFy as opposed to actually producing quality SciFi shows like BSG and Caprica.
07-15-2012, 11:33 PM
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: CL65 FO
Posts: 11
Well, I don't know what to tell you. It has been only two, and I thought that was rare. The vast majority, ComAir or otherwise, are good guys and gals. You guys at OH got screwed by those at the top of your union.
They poked a stick in DAL mgmt's eye with the strike (a picket line that I walked, BTW) and then poked another one in the eye of the DAL pilots with the RJDC and the Lawson letter.
The rest of you have had to deal with the fallout.
I'm out, I'll get off of "your" forum. Seems like I'm stressing you out
They poked a stick in DAL mgmt's eye with the strike (a picket line that I walked, BTW) and then poked another one in the eye of the DAL pilots with the RJDC and the Lawson letter.
The rest of you have had to deal with the fallout.
I'm out, I'll get off of "your" forum. Seems like I'm stressing you out
Last edited by Staylow; 07-15-2012 at 11:45 PM.
07-15-2012, 11:51 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Posts: 522
No need to go Jay. Understanding this debacle that had gone on for years is difficult when not everyone has all of the facts.
It was unrealistic for CMR to think that the DL furloughed pilots should have to give up their SN #s. Equally unrealistic for DL to think that CMR should swallow a $20k training cost for a pilot who is going to leave in a few months. Sad that both sides have people that just won't let go. The CMR guys and gals were sadly faulted for the actions of a MGMT and 2 Union leaders. I was hired less than a month before JC wrote that letter, but I was constantly questioned and hammered on my commutes. Most of the time, it was only the flight time before I had both DL pilots in the completely the opposite opinion of me from when I got on board and asked for a ride. ( I used the Jedi mind trick) Sometimes it was more severe, as is the case for the one of the two DL FO's on the ramp retrieving our bags, who thought his point would be made if he poked his finger into my chest. A great majority of the DL guys and gals were great! I was always considerate and ASKED for a ride, never assuming it was a given. I was never denied.
The only really bad experience was on a DL 767 flt from MCO to ATL. Prior to TOD, the CA had to use the loo, and told me to sit in his seat. I said no more than once until he snapped and yelled at me. So I sat in his seat and just enjoyed the view outside. When he came back, I started to move and he put his hand up and took a seat on the jumpseat. Approaching 10k, I am getting very uneasy when he finally decides to take his seat back. As we trade seats he says "I just thought you should try out the seat since it will be the only time you ever see the left seat of a 767". Yep, zero exaggeration on my part. Years later having chatted with a DL Chief, I learned that I had I been anywhere near the type of person he obviously was, I could have reported him and it would probably have stopped just short of him losing his job, but maybe that too. I wish I had written his name down. After a few minutes of walking through the ATL terminal, I was no longer upset or angry. I just chalked it up to his sad life and the fact that his wife was cheating on him every time he went to work.
I don't, or won't fly on DL anymore, but it is strictly because of the MGMT. JB earned my business treating me like gold as a commuter for years to JFK. It may amount to a bit less than a 1k a year in tickets sales, but that is 1k DL MGMT will not see from me ever. I would rent a car first.
The airline industry is very much like the current state of U.S. Government. The pilots NEED to understand that they, and their unions, run the aviation industry, not MGMT. When all stand together, the suits lose. They can lose little, or in the case of the CMR strike, they can lose big. Do you know how much LESS the life of the CMR contract would have cost than the strike?? It was substantially less, as in tens of millions. I was hired far after the strike, btw.
I have also moved to greener pastures, and I should probably thank DL MGMT for that part at least. Things are far better on this side of the planet than they were in the U.S.
Clear skies and smooth flight to all.
CMR FO/CA/FO 2002-2008
It was unrealistic for CMR to think that the DL furloughed pilots should have to give up their SN #s. Equally unrealistic for DL to think that CMR should swallow a $20k training cost for a pilot who is going to leave in a few months. Sad that both sides have people that just won't let go. The CMR guys and gals were sadly faulted for the actions of a MGMT and 2 Union leaders. I was hired less than a month before JC wrote that letter, but I was constantly questioned and hammered on my commutes. Most of the time, it was only the flight time before I had both DL pilots in the completely the opposite opinion of me from when I got on board and asked for a ride. ( I used the Jedi mind trick) Sometimes it was more severe, as is the case for the one of the two DL FO's on the ramp retrieving our bags, who thought his point would be made if he poked his finger into my chest. A great majority of the DL guys and gals were great! I was always considerate and ASKED for a ride, never assuming it was a given. I was never denied.
The only really bad experience was on a DL 767 flt from MCO to ATL. Prior to TOD, the CA had to use the loo, and told me to sit in his seat. I said no more than once until he snapped and yelled at me. So I sat in his seat and just enjoyed the view outside. When he came back, I started to move and he put his hand up and took a seat on the jumpseat. Approaching 10k, I am getting very uneasy when he finally decides to take his seat back. As we trade seats he says "I just thought you should try out the seat since it will be the only time you ever see the left seat of a 767". Yep, zero exaggeration on my part. Years later having chatted with a DL Chief, I learned that I had I been anywhere near the type of person he obviously was, I could have reported him and it would probably have stopped just short of him losing his job, but maybe that too. I wish I had written his name down. After a few minutes of walking through the ATL terminal, I was no longer upset or angry. I just chalked it up to his sad life and the fact that his wife was cheating on him every time he went to work.
I don't, or won't fly on DL anymore, but it is strictly because of the MGMT. JB earned my business treating me like gold as a commuter for years to JFK. It may amount to a bit less than a 1k a year in tickets sales, but that is 1k DL MGMT will not see from me ever. I would rent a car first.
The airline industry is very much like the current state of U.S. Government. The pilots NEED to understand that they, and their unions, run the aviation industry, not MGMT. When all stand together, the suits lose. They can lose little, or in the case of the CMR strike, they can lose big. Do you know how much LESS the life of the CMR contract would have cost than the strike?? It was substantially less, as in tens of millions. I was hired far after the strike, btw.
I have also moved to greener pastures, and I should probably thank DL MGMT for that part at least. Things are far better on this side of the planet than they were in the U.S.
Clear skies and smooth flight to all.
CMR FO/CA/FO 2002-2008
07-16-2012, 08:00 AM
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: CL65 Left
Posts: 9
A new group has started on Facebook for the folks that worked at Comair. So far, 287 members. Great way to stay in touch
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/106727512751772/ or search "we used to work for Comair"
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/106727512751772/ or search "we used to work for Comair"
07-16-2012, 01:10 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 737 Right Seat
Posts: 117
I can tell you that the last 3 CMR MEC administrations tried very hard to undo the harm that was done by the select few at the top during the JC era with both the DAL MEC and with DL management. I know they tried hard because I worked in various positions for those 3 MECs.
Ultimately, Comair's fate was determined by those sitting in Atlanta. Comair management really didn't "manage" Comair in the business sense, they only managed in the day-to-day operations. The suits in Atlanta actually steered the course for Comair and ultimately basically threw away an asset that they paid $1.6 Billion for (give or take a few hundred million). Delta management is the one to blame for not investing in Comair and not growing it and failing to bring its costs down. Delta management is the one that drug Comair into the sham bankruptcy. Whether or not that's payback for the strike? Who really knows for sure? But ultimately, Comair's failure is Delta management's failure.
Ultimately, I know for a fact that the CMR MEC tried tirelessly to mend the relationship. Unfortunately, everyone at CMR got shat on (can I say that, shat?? It's not really a word. If I get a "warning" for it, oh well) by Delta and ALPA National.
I left Comair for greener pastures a while ago, but I'm proud to have been able to work with most everyone there at Comair and I certainly wish everyone the best! There is life after Comair and no matter what happens I know that the professional aerial conveyance facilitators at Comair will land on their feet.
Ultimately, Comair's fate was determined by those sitting in Atlanta. Comair management really didn't "manage" Comair in the business sense, they only managed in the day-to-day operations. The suits in Atlanta actually steered the course for Comair and ultimately basically threw away an asset that they paid $1.6 Billion for (give or take a few hundred million). Delta management is the one to blame for not investing in Comair and not growing it and failing to bring its costs down. Delta management is the one that drug Comair into the sham bankruptcy. Whether or not that's payback for the strike? Who really knows for sure? But ultimately, Comair's failure is Delta management's failure.
Ultimately, I know for a fact that the CMR MEC tried tirelessly to mend the relationship. Unfortunately, everyone at CMR got shat on (can I say that, shat?? It's not really a word. If I get a "warning" for it, oh well) by Delta and ALPA National.
I left Comair for greener pastures a while ago, but I'm proud to have been able to work with most everyone there at Comair and I certainly wish everyone the best! There is life after Comair and no matter what happens I know that the professional aerial conveyance facilitators at Comair will land on their feet.
I could not say it any better!
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