Comair updates?
09-08-2010, 06:13 PM
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Or you could post the argument that hiring Comair pilots would lower labor costs and Comair could make more $$$ for Delta. Hiring SkyWest, Eagle, or Horizon pilots does nothing to improve Delta's bottom line.
Or you could offer that since the last 4 Comair presidents came from Delta or went to Delta, maybe Delta really loves Comair after all. That would be quite a stretch, but what the heck?
In any case, thanks for stopping by the Comair Updates thread to cheer us up.
09-08-2010, 07:11 PM
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Why would delta give Comair preferential interviews? Did Comair's forcing of furloughed delta pilots to resign their number at delta after 9/11 furloughs just get forgotten recently so now they love Comair?
Honest question, since that was a massive slap in the face to delta, oh and then that strike thingy too..... almost forgot about that one, delta loved that.
Honest question, since that was a massive slap in the face to delta, oh and then that strike thingy too..... almost forgot about that one, delta loved that.
Secondly, I was hired in 2007. As much as you hate me because I'm a Comair person, I'm not the one you should hate. You should blame the senior guys ( they aren't on
This thread)
Perhaps you hate the senior people? Well, we have something in common. I've been furloughed twice at Comair ( yes, I'm that lucky) both times senior folks have been kind enough to say "screw the junior guys, I'll be fine and that's what's important." so, the same guys who said horrible things to the Delta pilots who were furoughed also said some ****ty things to us Junior guys.
Thirdly, you clearly don't like Comair people. We are screwed and out of a job. What more do you want from us? We are all junior and want to move on.
09-08-2010, 08:13 PM
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First of all, I'm drunk.
Secondly, I was hired in 2007. As much as you hate me because I'm a Comair person, I'm not the one you should hate. You should blame the senior guys ( they aren't on
This thread)
Perhaps you hate the senior people? Well, we have something in common. I've been furloughed twice at Comair ( yes, I'm that lucky) both times senior folks have been kind enough to say "screw the junior guys, I'll be fine and that's what's important." so, the same guys who said horrible things to the Delta pilots who were furoughed also said some ****ty things to us Junior guys.
Thirdly, you clearly don't like Comair people. We are screwed and out of a job. What more do you want from us? We are all junior and want to move on.
Secondly, I was hired in 2007. As much as you hate me because I'm a Comair person, I'm not the one you should hate. You should blame the senior guys ( they aren't on
This thread)
Perhaps you hate the senior people? Well, we have something in common. I've been furloughed twice at Comair ( yes, I'm that lucky) both times senior folks have been kind enough to say "screw the junior guys, I'll be fine and that's what's important." so, the same guys who said horrible things to the Delta pilots who were furoughed also said some ****ty things to us Junior guys.
Thirdly, you clearly don't like Comair people. We are screwed and out of a job. What more do you want from us? We are all junior and want to move on.
First of all I don’t drink.
Secondly, I was hired at Comair in 2005 as a ramp agent while I worked on my ratings. One of the first things I learned working on the ramp was this: What’s black about 18-24 inches long and usually attached to a D*CK?? A Comair pilots tie!!
That was funny I don’t care who you are! Oh and feel free to change tie color and airline it works!
I still care about my old company (Comair) so I read this often. Maybe I’m the only one who has noticed but a lot (not everyone) when they have something good to say it goes something like this: "WE worked hard to get an industry leading contract" but when it something bad its almost always THEY. IMHO you decided to work at Comair anything that has happened or will happen you are part of it. You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose and you can pick where you work.
When I was on the ramp I talked to anyone and everyone I could about flying and without a doubt the friendliest and most helpful were the Freedom pilots, followed by Chata….Chatalk…Shatalkw……REPUBLIC pilots, then ASA and Comair guys (young or old) NEVER were nice or helpful. WHY?????
This is how I see the WE/THEY thing (as an outsider now). I jumpseated on Comair many times I would say 9 out of 10 were perfect but I was taken off more then once for weight and balance issues (with several open seats). I Comair pilot jumpseater who wasn’t there when the plane pushed back and so on. Yes those were all senior guys (Captains) but I’ve said hello to many young guys who didn’t answer or turned their backs and one time I got on the plane the Captain greeted with so much warmth I thought it was a set up for something! I put my hand out to introduce myself to the young FO he literally rolled his eyes and turned away.
My point??? I forgot……no wait…..I have a hard time finding the line between senior/junior Comair guys from how you treat other DCI pilots I'm sure Delta guys have a hard time too. So much talk about not getting hired at Delta, sorry but if you were hired at Comair in 2007 most will not be qualified so don’t stress over what Delta a few Delta pilots who post on here say. Worry about other regional guys that were treated like crap by Comair, young and old. They are the ones you have to deal with in the near future when you go for another job. You have a few more months to work for Comair instead of saying “poor me” look at it as an opportunity to explore other options and make friends with those who can help you out. You get to do what most can’t: See what’s going to happen in the future. Good luck to all
09-08-2010, 08:36 PM
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First of all I don’t drink.
Secondly, I was hired at Comair in 2005 as a ramp agent while I worked on my ratings. One of the first things I learned working on the ramp was this: What’s black about 18-24 inches long and usually attached to a D*CK?? A Comair pilots tie!!
That was funny I don’t care who you are! Oh and feel free to change tie color and airline it works!
I still care about my old company (Comair) so I read this often. Maybe I’m the only one who has noticed but a lot (not everyone) when they have something good to say it goes something like this: "WE worked hard to get an industry leading contract" but when it something bad its almost always THEY. IMHO you decided to work at Comair anything that has happened or will happen you are part of it. You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose and you can pick where you work.
When I was on the ramp I talked to anyone and everyone I could about flying and without a doubt the friendliest and most helpful were the Freedom pilots, followed by Chata….Chatalk…Shatalkw……REPUBLIC pilots, then ASA and Comair guys (young or old) NEVER were nice or helpful. WHY?????
This is how I see the WE/THEY thing (as an outsider now). I jumpseated on Comair many times I would say 9 out of 10 were perfect but I was taken off more then once for weight and balance issues (with several open seats). I Comair pilot jumpseater who wasn’t there when the plane pushed back and so on. Yes those were all senior guys (Captains) but I’ve said hello to many young guys who didn’t answer or turned their backs and one time I got on the plane the Captain greeted with so much warmth I thought it was a set up for something! I put my hand out to introduce myself to the young FO he literally rolled his eyes and turned away.
My point??? I forgot……no wait…..I have a hard time finding the line between senior/junior Comair guys from how you treat other DCI pilots I'm sure Delta guys have a hard time too. So much talk about not getting hired at Delta, sorry but if you were hired at Comair in 2007 most will not be qualified so don’t stress over what Delta a few Delta pilots who post on here say. Worry about other regional guys that were treated like crap by Comair, young and old. They are the ones you have to deal with in the near future when you go for another job. You have a few more months to work for Comair instead of saying “poor me” look at it as an opportunity to explore other options and make friends with those who can help you out. You get to do what most can’t: See what’s going to happen in the future. Good luck to all
Secondly, I was hired at Comair in 2005 as a ramp agent while I worked on my ratings. One of the first things I learned working on the ramp was this: What’s black about 18-24 inches long and usually attached to a D*CK?? A Comair pilots tie!!
That was funny I don’t care who you are! Oh and feel free to change tie color and airline it works!
I still care about my old company (Comair) so I read this often. Maybe I’m the only one who has noticed but a lot (not everyone) when they have something good to say it goes something like this: "WE worked hard to get an industry leading contract" but when it something bad its almost always THEY. IMHO you decided to work at Comair anything that has happened or will happen you are part of it. You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose and you can pick where you work.
When I was on the ramp I talked to anyone and everyone I could about flying and without a doubt the friendliest and most helpful were the Freedom pilots, followed by Chata….Chatalk…Shatalkw……REPUBLIC pilots, then ASA and Comair guys (young or old) NEVER were nice or helpful. WHY?????
This is how I see the WE/THEY thing (as an outsider now). I jumpseated on Comair many times I would say 9 out of 10 were perfect but I was taken off more then once for weight and balance issues (with several open seats). I Comair pilot jumpseater who wasn’t there when the plane pushed back and so on. Yes those were all senior guys (Captains) but I’ve said hello to many young guys who didn’t answer or turned their backs and one time I got on the plane the Captain greeted with so much warmth I thought it was a set up for something! I put my hand out to introduce myself to the young FO he literally rolled his eyes and turned away.
My point??? I forgot……no wait…..I have a hard time finding the line between senior/junior Comair guys from how you treat other DCI pilots I'm sure Delta guys have a hard time too. So much talk about not getting hired at Delta, sorry but if you were hired at Comair in 2007 most will not be qualified so don’t stress over what Delta a few Delta pilots who post on here say. Worry about other regional guys that were treated like crap by Comair, young and old. They are the ones you have to deal with in the near future when you go for another job. You have a few more months to work for Comair instead of saying “poor me” look at it as an opportunity to explore other options and make friends with those who can help you out. You get to do what most can’t: See what’s going to happen in the future. Good luck to all
09-08-2010, 08:38 PM
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Scheduling very rarely will call you and release you to rest, unless you're on a Ready or something.
By not calling scheduling, you're putting yourself back into your window, subjecting yourself to flying.
By calling them, you're giving them the "now or never" option: Use me or release me.
Your decision there...
By not calling scheduling, you're putting yourself back into your window, subjecting yourself to flying.
By calling them, you're giving them the "now or never" option: Use me or release me.
Your decision there...
09-09-2010, 04:47 AM
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In my best computer speak -- this is JMHO FWIW.
The "Delta hates Comair" thing is overblown.
Delta hires Comair pilots. I've flown with some.
There is a relatively small group of senior Comair pilots who made some very mean spirited and offensive political decisions a few years ago. You all know what I'm talking about. If those guys were hired (or even interviewed) at Delta it would cause an uproar. They know who they are. I doubt they'd even bother to apply.
For the vast majority of Comair pilots --
If you want to fly at Delta, get your app in.
The "Delta hates Comair" thing is overblown.
Delta hires Comair pilots. I've flown with some.
There is a relatively small group of senior Comair pilots who made some very mean spirited and offensive political decisions a few years ago. You all know what I'm talking about. If those guys were hired (or even interviewed) at Delta it would cause an uproar. They know who they are. I doubt they'd even bother to apply.
For the vast majority of Comair pilots --
If you want to fly at Delta, get your app in.
09-09-2010, 06:12 AM
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The quick and dirty version:
Let's say your on A4, 8am-10pm
Day 4 of your trip, you report at 9am and block into CVG at 4pm, released at 4:20pm. If you do not talk to scheduling at all, you are back into your window, subject to be called back, until the close of your window at 10pm, also subject to 13.5 hours from 9am.
If you talk to scheduling and they have nothing else for you and you are released, you are released to rest at 4:20pm for 10 hours, or until 2:20am (which is then outside of your window), so you're done until your next window).
Basically, what happens when you don't call scheduling when you get back, you are released into your window, subject to call out within the 13 1/2 hour duty day and/or end of window. But I thought I remember reading that even if you are in an A4 window and report at 6am, you can only be used until 7:30pm duty wise, but they can still call you to notify you of a trip until 10pm (but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
It gets tricky when you report and release before your window even starts. If I remember correctly, you are released into 10 hours of rest, then into whatever remains of your window. This is usually only common for the A6 window and beyond, but I guess it possible for the A5 and maybe A4 for a super early flight.
The moral of the story, if you finish a trip and nothing is on your line, it's probably in your best interest to call scheduling and get something else or get released. They've been really good at just releasing into rest lately.
Let's say your on A4, 8am-10pm
Day 4 of your trip, you report at 9am and block into CVG at 4pm, released at 4:20pm. If you do not talk to scheduling at all, you are back into your window, subject to be called back, until the close of your window at 10pm, also subject to 13.5 hours from 9am.
If you talk to scheduling and they have nothing else for you and you are released, you are released to rest at 4:20pm for 10 hours, or until 2:20am (which is then outside of your window), so you're done until your next window).
Basically, what happens when you don't call scheduling when you get back, you are released into your window, subject to call out within the 13 1/2 hour duty day and/or end of window. But I thought I remember reading that even if you are in an A4 window and report at 6am, you can only be used until 7:30pm duty wise, but they can still call you to notify you of a trip until 10pm (but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
It gets tricky when you report and release before your window even starts. If I remember correctly, you are released into 10 hours of rest, then into whatever remains of your window. This is usually only common for the A6 window and beyond, but I guess it possible for the A5 and maybe A4 for a super early flight.
The moral of the story, if you finish a trip and nothing is on your line, it's probably in your best interest to call scheduling and get something else or get released. They've been really good at just releasing into rest lately.
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