Comair updates?
09-03-2010, 07:43 AM
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What doesn't make sense to me is why furlough and get rid of your less expensive pilots and FAs and keep around the senior, top of the payscale pilots?!? If everything is all set and done and we have 44 airplanes = ~450 pilots. Your most junior FO will be a 1999 hire. Talk about an expensive pilot group.
With that being said, if you get rid of the entire bottom half of the pilot group, the cost per block hour will be high, but the overhead cost of the airline will be much lower than it was without having to pay 450 or so pilots a minimum wage.
Also think about this. If Delta's overall plan isn't to entirely dismantle the Comair name, their play might be to furlough all of the junior guys for a few years until all of the most expensive top guys are forced to retire, or they really dislike their new quality of life and they buyout or retire early. Birth Certificates eventually catch up with you (65). Then bring back the furloughs on a really crappy (Mesa) like contract and you have one of the cheapest pilot groups out there.
While Comair may not have the ability to think past tomorrow, keep in mind that Delta plans much further ahead. Delta new back in 2002 that they were going to draw back CVG and what we are seeing today is just part of their overall plan.
09-03-2010, 08:08 AM
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One might even wonder why management is in such a hurry to negotiate to begin with, since they usually like to drag these things out five years of more.
Five years from now, the temporary labor surplus created by age 65 will have started to correct itself.
Five years from now, there won't likely be many new pilots completing flight training - just look at student starts over the last couple of years.
Five years form now the 1500 hour minimum experience level for airline pilots, in whatever it's final form is, will have an impact on the available labor pool.
Wonder why Comair/Delta isn't trying to delay negotiations as they historically do?
Five years from now, the temporary labor surplus created by age 65 will have started to correct itself.
Five years from now, there won't likely be many new pilots completing flight training - just look at student starts over the last couple of years.
Five years form now the 1500 hour minimum experience level for airline pilots, in whatever it's final form is, will have an impact on the available labor pool.
Wonder why Comair/Delta isn't trying to delay negotiations as they historically do?
09-03-2010, 12:04 PM
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What doesn't make sense to me is why furlough and get rid of your less expensive pilots and FAs and keep around the senior, top of the payscale pilots?!? If everything is all set and done and we have 44 airplanes = ~450 pilots. Your most junior FO will be a 1999 hire. Talk about an expensive pilot group.
Delta is in a win-win situation with us. If they get us to concede $ to save some jobs, all the better. If not, they'll bust us up and sell the valuable parts.
(Bud Fox: Why do you need to wreck this company?
Gordon Gekko: Because it's WRECKABLE, all right? I took another look at it and I changed my mind!)
09-03-2010, 12:07 PM
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What doesn't make sense to me is why furlough and get rid of your less expensive pilots and FAs and keep around the senior, top of the payscale pilots?!? If everything is all set and done and we have 44 airplanes = ~450 pilots. Your most junior FO will be a 1999 hire. Talk about an expensive pilot group.
09-03-2010, 12:41 PM
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meh I wouldn't get to worked up over this article. First off it is the Memphis paper. All they are doing is putting a spin on things. Pinnacle was doing those 23 flights long before comair came here. So its not like we are benefiting at the expense of comair or getting new flying, we are just getting some routes back we had been doing anyway. Im not trying to argue our routes vs their routes, just saying that saying "Comair Cuts May Benefit Pinnacle" is a little bit of a stretch.
On a side note it looks like Pinnacle will have an open house in cvg.
Tuesday September 7 or Wednesday September 8, 2010
Open House - CVG
If you have been furloughed and you are willing to relocate, please come to our Open House!
CASS/QA Analyst
Crew Trackers
Maintenance Planner Routers
Dispatchers
Flight Attendants
Maintenance Engineers
Avionics Technicians
Heavy Check Representatives
Crew Schedulers
Inspectors
Part Clerks
Enjoy Free and Reduced Travel Benefites from date of hire.
YOU ARE INVITED
Open House
- Tuesday September 7th 5 pm to 8 pm. Doors close promptly at 5 pm.
- Wednesday September 8th 9 am. to 12 noon. Doors colose promptly at 9 am.
Holiday Inn Cincinnati Airport
1717 Airport Exchange Blvd
Erlanger, KY 41018
MUST bring the following documents to the Open House (do not mail them to Recruitment):
Employment Application - downloaded from our website - Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome
fully completed w/10 years of job history/school/unemployment
Valid drivers license
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Careers
On a side note it looks like Pinnacle will have an open house in cvg.
Tuesday September 7 or Wednesday September 8, 2010
Open House - CVG
If you have been furloughed and you are willing to relocate, please come to our Open House!
CASS/QA Analyst
Crew Trackers
Maintenance Planner Routers
Dispatchers
Flight Attendants
Maintenance Engineers
Avionics Technicians
Heavy Check Representatives
Crew Schedulers
Inspectors
Part Clerks
Enjoy Free and Reduced Travel Benefites from date of hire.
YOU ARE INVITED
Open House
- Tuesday September 7th 5 pm to 8 pm. Doors close promptly at 5 pm.
- Wednesday September 8th 9 am. to 12 noon. Doors colose promptly at 9 am.
Holiday Inn Cincinnati Airport
1717 Airport Exchange Blvd
Erlanger, KY 41018
MUST bring the following documents to the Open House (do not mail them to Recruitment):
Employment Application - downloaded from our website - Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome
fully completed w/10 years of job history/school/unemployment
Valid drivers license
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Careers
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09-03-2010, 12:48 PM
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I saw this on airliners.net, I don't know if anybody posted it.
"Interestingly, in the 8/27 issue of Aviation Daily, the average block hour operating cost was listed for a number of CRJ-200 operators, the only operator with higher costs was Mesa.
Mesa - $2231/hr
Comair - $2203/hr
Air Wis - $1638/hr
Skywest - $1389/hr
ASA - $1339/hr
Mesaba - $956/hr
PSA - $953/hr
Pinnacle - $730/hr"
I thought it was interesting. I wonder if Daddy D want us to the cheapest HO! I mean OH.
"Interestingly, in the 8/27 issue of Aviation Daily, the average block hour operating cost was listed for a number of CRJ-200 operators, the only operator with higher costs was Mesa.
Mesa - $2231/hr
Comair - $2203/hr
Air Wis - $1638/hr
Skywest - $1389/hr
ASA - $1339/hr
Mesaba - $956/hr
PSA - $953/hr
Pinnacle - $730/hr"
I thought it was interesting. I wonder if Daddy D want us to the cheapest HO! I mean OH.
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