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Old 06-03-2010, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Lets say we get 50 pilots coming back on the 13, you show up then they send you home for a week or 2, do you get paid for that time off?

I posted this here also
yes, MP addressed that..full guarantee starting from day one.
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tjflyboy
I'm waiting all ten days, and I wish that I had more time... sorry that its an inconvenience to you... but he has all ten days contractually and he should take all ten if needed, I don't think its going to effect you anyhow, How many do you need to turn it down? I doubt that people waiting ten days will have any effect on if and when there is a second wave. I see all you guys way down the list whining about a bypass and just wanting people to quit, by not having a bypass many that would otherwise bypass are not, everyone should hope for it, it will only get people back faster, I know of a many more that would bypass who are now coming back because we lack a bypass option which they would take and now must burn bridges that they would otherwise not at good contract jobs overseas and in the US, jobs in which some of you could take advantage of in the future if you don't get recalled. I doubt these jobs would be available if a bunch of Comair furloughs just bounce on their commitments because they don't have a bypass option. It will only make finding a flying job for some of you that much harder especially when a bunch of our guys ditch their current commitments, who would want to take another chance on a furloughed comair guy? Bypassing is a huge risk as well because you may never be called again, and many of you would be back in the saddle much faster if this works out. It sounds doubtful yes but bypass option is good for everyone including the company and I don't see how people don't see that, I have many friends who were not called in the first wave as well, I hope that everyone gets to come back as soon as possible.

Very good points. I believe if one is going to move on, they'll do so right away. Waiting those 10 days -to see how things pan out-, will not be an issue for those not coming back. it'll be be improtant to those -like you said- with prior commitments that still want to come back. It is a hard decision to make.
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Old 06-03-2010, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by evilboy
Very good points. I believe if one is going to move on, they'll do so right away. Waiting those 10 days -to see how things pan out-, will not be an issue for those not coming back. it'll be be improtant to those -like you said- with prior commitments that still want to come back. It is a hard decision to make.

I agree, if they are out, no sense in them waiting and I don't think they will. But for the few, a bypass could bring back people that need work now without having to burn any bridges for guys still looking for work that are not recalled.
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Old 06-03-2010, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tjflyboy
I agree, if they are out, no sense in them waiting and I don't think they will. But for the few, a bypass could bring back people that need work now without having to burn any bridges for guys still looking for work that are not recalled.

But a bypass for invols is not going to happen -at least not now-. I feel bad for the guys that have to make a decision, and sad for the guys waiting for those to make a decision. Catch 22......
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tjflyboy
I agree, if they are out, no sense in them waiting and I don't think they will. But for the few, a bypass could bring back people that need work now without having to burn any bridges for guys still looking for work that are not recalled.
Only got to hear about half of the call (it was pretty short). If they get the bypass option in the middle of this recall process, what happens to those who have already resigned? Do they get their # back, classified as a voluntary?

Slightly different note, ALPA's been studying the short-staffing prior to the block hour increase...did they ever come up with a proposed number needed to properly staff?
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NoStep
Only got to hear about half of the call (it was pretty short). If they get the bypass option in the middle of this recall process, what happens to those who have already resigned? Do they get their # back, classified as a voluntary?

Slightly different note, ALPA's been studying the short-staffing prior to the block hour increase...did they ever come up with a proposed number needed to properly staff?
They are trying to get the bypass to go back to November when the first guys quit during the recall.

They didn't say any hard numbers but think it will still be understaffed.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:00 AM
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Its Retro-active, but even if it doesn't happen now, they should continue to negotiate a bypass for the next series of recalls should they happen.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:47 AM
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My personal opinion I think a bypass for the involuntary furloughs will not happen. If it hasn't happen yet it will not happen now. But I've been wrong before.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:17 AM
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tjflyboy
I'm waiting all ten days, and I wish that I had more time... sorry that its an inconvenience to you... but he has all ten days contractually and he should take all ten if needed, I don't think its going to effect you anyhow, How many do you need to turn it down? I doubt that people waiting ten days will have any effect on if and when there is a second wave. I see all you guys way down the list whining about a bypass and just wanting people to quit, by not having a bypass many that would otherwise bypass are not, everyone should hope for it, it will only get people back faster, I know of a many more that would bypass who are now coming back because we lack a bypass option which they would take and now must burn bridges that they would otherwise not at good contract jobs overseas and in the US, jobs in which some of you could take advantage of in the future if you don't get recalled. I doubt these jobs would be available if a bunch of Comair furloughs just bounce on their commitments because they don't have a bypass option. It will only make finding a flying job for some of you that much harder especially when a bunch of our guys ditch their current commitments, who would want to take another chance on a furloughed comair guy? Bypassing is a huge risk as well because you may never be called again, and many of you would be back in the saddle much faster if this works out. It sounds doubtful yes but bypass option is good for everyone including the company and I don't see how people don't see that, I have many friends who were not called in the first wave as well, I hope that everyone gets to come back as soon as possible.

Like I said before. I am for a bypass option. However it clearly isn't going to happen. Not right now. And YES people waiting on a pipe dream bypass amendment do affect me. I have another class date for a new job on June 8th and need to know what the outlook looks like for my recall as soon as I can. If people wait 10 days from today I'm screwed. It's just my opinion. I don't expect anyone to do anything but whats best for their situation.
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