Comair updates?
11-06-2009, 12:45 PM
West Coast livin
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I don't own my own business. You Got Me - this is JB. When not out on my boat in St. Maarten, or in my country home in Tuscanny, I lurk on APC to defend the idiocy that is airline management. Thanks for your hard work on that 100% complete. Ham is in the mail.
Seriously though, you missed something. In the example I gave you, THERE IS NO PROFIT when Comair flies the flight, only when Compass flies the flight, because of the higher costs at Comair. Comair HAS to be paid a "profit" because of the cost plus arrangement, but Delta loses more than that on the flight - so there IS NO PROFIT for Delta when Comair flies the flight, while there is if Compass does it. If you cannot (or don't want to) understand that, I cannot think of anyway to make it clearer. Part of the problem, I admit, is that as a business model it is a pretty stupid way to do business, with your partners assuming NO risk in the equation.
Since you seem big on logic, here is a logical conclusion - all the wholly owned are losing flying because some of it is not making money. Delta therefore wants less regional aircraft in the mix - and they have contracts with other carriers that have minimum levels that they have to honor. Have you noticed that a lot of the other Delta Connection guys are suing Delta? That they tried twice to dump Mesa? That they dumped Coex and Big Sky?
I just don't buy the whole "Delta hates us, that is why this is happening" argument. Do I hate the way this industry works and do I think the powers that be make a lot of stupid decisions? Yep. Do I think they have it out for us personally? Maybe. But do I think that this kind of grade school "I hate Comair so I am going to kill them" mentality would fly with a Board of Directors overseeing a billion dollar company? In the end it just seems pretty improbable that Delta would destroy an airline they paid 1.4 Billion for just cause they don't "like" them.
Seriously though, you missed something. In the example I gave you, THERE IS NO PROFIT when Comair flies the flight, only when Compass flies the flight, because of the higher costs at Comair. Comair HAS to be paid a "profit" because of the cost plus arrangement, but Delta loses more than that on the flight - so there IS NO PROFIT for Delta when Comair flies the flight, while there is if Compass does it. If you cannot (or don't want to) understand that, I cannot think of anyway to make it clearer. Part of the problem, I admit, is that as a business model it is a pretty stupid way to do business, with your partners assuming NO risk in the equation.
Since you seem big on logic, here is a logical conclusion - all the wholly owned are losing flying because some of it is not making money. Delta therefore wants less regional aircraft in the mix - and they have contracts with other carriers that have minimum levels that they have to honor. Have you noticed that a lot of the other Delta Connection guys are suing Delta? That they tried twice to dump Mesa? That they dumped Coex and Big Sky?
I just don't buy the whole "Delta hates us, that is why this is happening" argument. Do I hate the way this industry works and do I think the powers that be make a lot of stupid decisions? Yep. Do I think they have it out for us personally? Maybe. But do I think that this kind of grade school "I hate Comair so I am going to kill them" mentality would fly with a Board of Directors overseeing a billion dollar company? In the end it just seems pretty improbable that Delta would destroy an airline they paid 1.4 Billion for just cause they don't "like" them.
With Delta we will have to just wait it out. By the way, I once tried the Vulcan mind meld with R.A.
It failed, sadly there was no mind to meld with.
Yes, I'm a Trekkie!!!!!!!
11-06-2009, 01:58 PM
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To all my November 05 friends, Happy Anniversary 
Cessna 126,
you're going to have to call ALPA national. Same thing happened to me. They'll want to charge you until your furlough date. If you don't pay, you'll be placed in an "innactive status", but with access to their site, etc. Then if/when you get recalled or hired at another airline and ALPA is there, you'd have to pay that money before joining again. Can you feel the love?.
Cessna 126,
you're going to have to call ALPA national. Same thing happened to me. They'll want to charge you until your furlough date. If you don't pay, you'll be placed in an "innactive status", but with access to their site, etc. Then if/when you get recalled or hired at another airline and ALPA is there, you'd have to pay that money before joining again. Can you feel the love?.
You to amigo.
11-08-2009, 07:22 AM
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Position: A320 FO
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Contract Negotiations
Our contract is amendable starting March 1st. of 2011. If you have listened to management in the last few months, it’s very obvious that the will be looking for concessions. Just look at the power point presentation on Epic and listen to Bendo’s conference call. My question is when do we begin negotiations? Are we going to believe management lies that if we accept concisions we will see growth coming our way?
11-08-2009, 08:53 AM
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ALPA working hard again... Let's keep downgraded Captains keep their four stripes (you still getting paid as an FO). I know it sucks, but don't we have more important issues we should be concerned about?
11-09-2009, 05:39 AM
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FWIW, the numbers for the year as far as scheduled block hours, folks, we only lost 1984.26 hours since the beginning of 09. The 70 lost 22.27, 50 in CVG lost 6386.45, 50 in JFK gained 4424.46.
11-09-2009, 06:47 AM
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Position: A320 FO
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According to Bendo, we will lose 15% in 2010 from 2009. Are we looking at more fuloughs?
11-09-2009, 10:05 AM
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Position: EFFO (eternally furloughed First Officer)
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