Boomer

Chalk me up as a tough guy then. My wife has taken way too much crap from me/Comair/Delta with paycuts, downgrades, years on reserve, broken promises, furloughs, hopes dashed on the rocks, more paycuts, on reserve again, etc. for the last 6 years.

It's bad enough we need to fly out of CVG on Pinnacle or Freedom to visit our families. You think I've got the guts to tell her Comair is sending me to JFK for 3 weeks a month? Not in this lifetime junior!

RiddleEagle18

Comair's departures???? You do realize they are delta's right? WE ARE CONTRACT WORKERS!!! The sooner we all learn that the better.

TristarJS30

I think he meant Comair's departure from CVG... or existence.

RiddleEagle18

you right my bad. Statement still stands though. They can move us where ever they want when ever they want. It suxs!

Boomer

Thanks, Tristar.

I didn't say Comair's departures. I said Comair's departure.

As in "Comair's departure" from CVG. Delta has sent them into CVG to cover Comair pulling out of CVG.

Otherwise I would have said "Comair's flying". Or, more accurately, "Delta's CVG flying that Comair has been doing for the last 24 years."

Boomer

No problem. And yes, they didn't keep to out pre-bankruptcy contract and they're not keeping to our new one, either.

TurboDog

As the previous poster said, if a company moves its operation to another state, then you have a decision to make. You either move with it, commute or quit. I am not disagreeing with that, however like him I didn't see what seniority has to do with it other than a junior guy wanting to take a stab at a senior guy. That junior guy may be tired of hearing a senior guy talk about not moving to Kennedy while that senior guy is probably very tired of that junior guy complaining about everything in his world. From the looks of some of the posts on here, I am sure these folks bring their gripes right to work with them.

And yes, GM could do just that. Look at Boeing, didn't they do something very similar with a large part of it's operation.

We all have our gripes and it's understandable. The ability to control them though is another thing. Andy, if you are tired of hearing these senior guys talk about how they aren't moving to JFK, then call them out. Interrupt them in conversation and tell them that they have no grounds to feel the way that they do and that frankly you just don't want to hear them anymore. Hope you enjoy the rest of your trip!

Lowlevel

What contract? We are not contracted by Delta, we are owned by Delta. Those other carriers (Mesa, Skywest, etc.) are contracted. As a wholly owned, Delta can do whatever they want with Comair, be it relocation, downsizing, or dissolving the entire company if they choose.

With regard to people not liking the idea of being based at JFK; if you are a senior captain, you would still be a senior captain at JFK, thus being able to hold a pretty nice line. So, if you bid commutable trips and had to catch the morning flight to JFK to start your trip, and catch a flight home after your trip, would that be so bad? You would still be home on your days off.

I, for one, would never want to work in CVG. The crew lounge, with it's separate FA and pilot sections (what happened to CRM, maybe meet your crew before you fly) and the miserable attitudes of many in the crew lounge is depressing. Having learned to fly in the NE, the whole CVG airport bores me. I'd also rather see something other than a Delta tail once in a while. The crews that were in JFK were always nice, and a pleasure to fly with. There are so many choices of food at JFK (if you have time) than there are at Terminal A & B in CVG. If you should get stuck up there for a day, there is NYC, one of the greatest walking tour cities in the world and only a $2 train ride away. Better than being stuck in CVG and nothing worth seeing within 200 miles.

This job is one of a very few that lets you live anywhere in the world you choose and commute to work. I tried living in CVG last year and it lasted eight months. It was not the place for me. During that time, I never had a problem commuting to JFK (I always heard the horror stories of commuting between the two bases). I moved to FL and my commute to JFK on Jetblue was terrific every time. Nice crews, TV, XM radio, great snacks. It made the 2.5 hour commute pleasurable.

Now that I am furloughed, I can only use Delta flights. It is sad to say, but the service on Delta, from gate agents to flight crews, on down to the baggage guys at the end of the flight do not compare to other airlines I have jumpseated/nonrev'ed on. I have used AA, SWA, JB, USAir, UA, and CAL in the past few years and have been treated way better on those airlines than I ever was on a Delta flight. On Delta, I have been ignored or treated badly by gate agents, had miserable crews on some flights, had bags lost, and been stuck in ATL three times last month trying to nonrev home because all flights were full or canceled. I am not complaining, because I appreciate the fact that we got to keep our flying benefits, and I just roll with it and don't complain to the DAL people. That said, everyone knows that even when flying DH, the DAL employees sometime treat you like crap. I was just talking to a crewmember the other day that was DH on a mainline flight. When they went to the DAL gate agent to check in and get their seat, they were told "I don't have time for that, sit down." Wow, how long does it take to print a boarding pass?

OK, I got way off the original subject there! My point is, JFK is not as bad as some think. In fact, a lot of people there would not trade to be in CVG. If you're going to sit and constantly complain about where you are based, then you will never be happy. If you get out of the CL and spend some time in the rest of the 9 terminals, you may find yourself enjoying it.

Another point on JFK: It is very rare to have a long taxi any more. During the last 8-9 months, there were many times you landed and taxied right to the gate, or taxied out and were off in 20 minutes or less. Sure, bad weather happens, but mostly there is no problem.

andy171773

I did before i was furloughed

evilboy

This thread has quiet down a lot lately. Are you all just taking a little time off?.