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Old 02-06-2009, 03:32 PM
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Whatever happened to that displacement bid that was suppose to come out Feb. 2 that you guys were talking about?
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
Whatever happened to that displacement bid that was suppose to come out Feb. 2 that you guys were talking about?
I nonrev'd on a OH flight today and knew the crew, so I stopped in to talk to them. The captain told me the displacement was canceled. He also said that yesterday there were 2 JFK captains on reserve (all day) and both were on RR. Nice! Good luck with that OH.
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
I nonrev'd on a OH flight today and knew the crew, so I stopped in to talk to them. The captain told me the displacement was canceled. He also said that yesterday there were 2 JFK captains on reserve (all day) and both were on RR. Nice! Good luck with that OH.
I would think the displacement bid would be out after the early out window closes.
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
I would think the displacement bid would be out after the early out window closes.
I would have thought it would have been after the early outs and all that crap closes so they have a better idea... even if it is only 3 people taking it....
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Old 02-06-2009, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Droog
How long would you have to work at a regional (or major for that matter) before you could make 160K per year?
160K? No problem. I made that much by my 6th year at Comair.

Wait, you said 160K per year? Then no, not even close.
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Old 02-07-2009, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Droog
In spite of these undesirable characters, ATC still offers better pay and security than most airline jobs. How long would you have to work at a regional (or major for that matter) before you could make 160K per year? Also, when I spoke with you briefly in CVG last summer, Comair was going to hire hundreds of pilots, and then (well you know the rest!). So it can be argued that airline management can turn on you "quicker than a Greek waiter!" Also, you and I are collecting a federal pension, which allows us to live on our own terms (to a degree), a luxury that "Diesel" probably doesn't have. In other words, he can expect to go to work and be forced to eat $hit for many years to come. Finally, I will go out on a limb and predict that the working conditions in ATC will improve now that we have a new sheriff in Washington. So I say to Diesel "go for it and good luck!" You'll have a couple of decades to get jaded and cranky, and then you can retire!
First off, I disagree that things will change. There is a lot of people hanging their hat that paradise is just around the corner. Obama has much bigger fish to fry than worry about a paltry 15,000 federal workers but I guess when your desperate any glimmer of hope is magnified and grasped at!! Second off 26 years ago when I was going into the FAA I said the same things that Diesel said. Like I said I soon realized that I adapted and forgot rather quickly the enthusiasm I had when first hired.

I remember speaking with you I believe at the hotel while you were waiting for the van to take you to Comair the morning of my interview. If memory serves me correctly you worked New York Center or one of the major airports in NY. Are you still flying for Comair? I got hired but never made it due to them stopping hiring.

I was just trying to point out to Diesel that money is not the cure all. Like we used to say at ZFW, the best job is the one you came from or the one your going to but rarely the one your at.

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Old 02-07-2009, 07:30 AM
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First off, I disagree that things will change. There is a lot of people hanging their hat that paradise is just around the corner. Obama has much bigger fish to fry than worry about a paltry 15,000 federal workers but I guess when your desperate any glimmer of hope is magnified and grasped at!! Second off 26 years ago when I was going into the FAA I said the same things that Diesel said. Like I said I soon realized that I adapted and forgot rather quickly the enthusiasm I had when first hired.

I remember speaking with you I believe at the hotel while you were waiting for the van to take you to Comair the morning of my interview. If memory serves me correctly you worked New York Center or one of the major airports in NY. Are you still flying for Comair? I got hired but never made it due to them stopping hiring.

I was just trying to point out to Diesel that money is not the cure all. Like we used to say at ZFW, the best job is the one you came from or the one your going to but rarely the one your at.

I think that conditions will eventually improve, if for no other reason than everything goes in cycles (in addition to the fact that the new administration will have a more favorable attitude towards gov't employees). Also, I certainly agree that money isn't everything! I was also miserable for a long time, because I felt like I couldn't walk away from the good pay/benefits. But after a while you reach a level of comfort with your situation. Flying for Comair is not an option right now for Diesel (and I don't know what else he is qualified to do), so I still think that he should take advantage of this opportunity. By the way, I was furloughed in October. I was able to fly a few trips after IOE, and I'm glad that I had a chance to have this experience (even if I never fly part 121 again)!
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Question for the guys furloughed 1/19 that are going to have their vacation paid out. Do you need to report your vacation payout to the unemployment office? I'm just reading through the agreement, and this is what it says...

"You must report all earnings any days you worked or were eligible for holiday or vacation pay during a week claimed, not the week you receive your pay."


I'm guessing I don't have to report it?!
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
Question for the guys furloughed 1/19 that are going to have their vacation paid out. Do you need to report your vacation payout to the unemployment office? I'm just reading through the agreement, and this is what it says...

"You must report all earnings any days you worked or were eligible for holiday or vacation pay during a week claimed, not the week you receive your pay."


I'm guessing I don't have to report it?!
That is correct. You weren't working nor eligible for vacation pay because you're unemployed. That vacation pay is coming from what you accumulated until the day you were furlough.
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Old 02-07-2009, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Droog
I think that conditions will eventually improve, if for no other reason than everything goes in cycles (in addition to the fact that the new administration will have a more favorable attitude towards gov't employees). Also, I certainly agree that money isn't everything! I was also miserable for a long time, because I felt like I couldn't walk away from the good pay/benefits. But after a while you reach a level of comfort with your situation. Flying for Comair is not an option right now for Diesel (and I don't know what else he is qualified to do), so I still think that he should take advantage of this opportunity. By the way, I was furloughed in October. I was able to fly a few trips after IOE, and I'm glad that I had a chance to have this experience (even if I never fly part 121 again)!
I believe Diesel original message was "good-bye Comair" so I assumed he was currently employed at Comair. Whether he has other option or not is beside the point. If he is looking for competent management I was only stating he wouldn't find it with the FAA. It is secure (not as secure as it used to be) and fairly well paying. It seems to me that the biggest complaint on this forum is about bad management first and pay second. I, too, was in the same boat you were where I was miserable but had too much time invested to walk away. I agree things will probably get better because once you reach bottom there's no where else to go but up. These new guys will never make the money we made and IMO management is far worse than it was 5 years ago. Given these two ingredients I see poor attitudes in the future. At least then (5 years ago) we had a union with some authority. It appears to me that NATCA is completely impotent and can only rely on BHO to fix their problems. So far he doesn't seem to be living up to his promises (I know it's only been two weeks) because he has already gone back on most of what he campaigned on.

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