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09-12-2007, 06:03 PM
#91
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Lol... people think we exaggerate about life as a pilot... but the truth is, it is exactly like you say it is.... There are obviously great things about the job, but you are tired at the end of the day and severely underpaid.... Not many schedulers/dispatchers understand what it is like on this side of the job, good summary Pantera.
09-12-2007, 06:24 PM
#92
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Maybe schedulers should do what we get to do. It would be something like this.
Commute to JFK to work scheduling. You need to be there for a 5am show but since obviously there are no flights that get in at that time you commute the day before which is actually your day off of which you only had two of. Then you need to stay in your crash pad (you have to get a crashpad since an apartment in NYC is about 1500$ to 2500$ in the bad section of town, and that is double what you make in a month) over night but since there are 12 of you sharing the crashpad you get there and share a room with four other people. You try to get to sleep at a reasonable hour but since there are so many people coming in and out you don't and now you have to get up at 3am to make the bus to get to JFK on time for your 5 am report.
Next you show up at work and clock in at 5am and start working getting ready for your shift (after 5 hours sleep which really feels like two hours) but you don't actually get paid for it until 6am even though you had to punch in at 5am. Now you work for two hours maybe three or even as little as one. Then you just have to stop working and sit there for 3 hours or even 4 hours without getting paid. You still have work to do but you can't do it because someone else needs to use your computer. But you have to wait there again without getting paid until your computer becomes free. By this time you have been at work for 8 plus hours but you still have 6 hours to go.
Finally you can complete your work but you were requested to complete scheduling in another city. So you get there and the van doesn't show up to pick you up but while you are waiting to get to the hotel you still are not getting paid. See while you are actually waiting there you are getting rest so you can get back to work in 8 hours. You by law do not need sleep only rest. So you go to the hotel which you find out has nothing close by to get something to eat at so you just do with out. The hotel is crappy but it really doesn't matter once in awhile since you only have to stay in hotels 260+ nights a year. You write a CCL about the crappy hotel which travels at the speed of light to nowhere.
I could go on and on but Writing a book on this just doesn't explain how crappy life as a regional pilot is.
Commute to JFK to work scheduling. You need to be there for a 5am show but since obviously there are no flights that get in at that time you commute the day before which is actually your day off of which you only had two of. Then you need to stay in your crash pad (you have to get a crashpad since an apartment in NYC is about 1500$ to 2500$ in the bad section of town, and that is double what you make in a month) over night but since there are 12 of you sharing the crashpad you get there and share a room with four other people. You try to get to sleep at a reasonable hour but since there are so many people coming in and out you don't and now you have to get up at 3am to make the bus to get to JFK on time for your 5 am report.
Next you show up at work and clock in at 5am and start working getting ready for your shift (after 5 hours sleep which really feels like two hours) but you don't actually get paid for it until 6am even though you had to punch in at 5am. Now you work for two hours maybe three or even as little as one. Then you just have to stop working and sit there for 3 hours or even 4 hours without getting paid. You still have work to do but you can't do it because someone else needs to use your computer. But you have to wait there again without getting paid until your computer becomes free. By this time you have been at work for 8 plus hours but you still have 6 hours to go.
Finally you can complete your work but you were requested to complete scheduling in another city. So you get there and the van doesn't show up to pick you up but while you are waiting to get to the hotel you still are not getting paid. See while you are actually waiting there you are getting rest so you can get back to work in 8 hours. You by law do not need sleep only rest. So you go to the hotel which you find out has nothing close by to get something to eat at so you just do with out. The hotel is crappy but it really doesn't matter once in awhile since you only have to stay in hotels 260+ nights a year. You write a CCL about the crappy hotel which travels at the speed of light to nowhere.
I could go on and on but Writing a book on this just doesn't explain how crappy life as a regional pilot is.
I could not have summarize it any better
09-13-2007, 12:04 PM
#93
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You forgot to add the endless entertainment of watching rodents run across the floor at JFK. I may have to bring a cat or a dog just to do a little cleaning....
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09-13-2007, 12:10 PM
#94
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This was written by a Captain that I often saw sleeping on the couch across from me in operation at JFK. I got a kick out of it, and have been waiting for him to post it on here but have not seen it yet...If He wants credit I will post his name but for now I won't:
JFK Delay Benefits
During those long delays, we try to keep our passengers cool and warm indeed, but happy...? Can you imagine what the press would say if we treated " Club Gitmo" detainees as we treat paying airline passengers? On the plus side; those passengers do get free alcoholic drinks, water, juices and soft drinks as well as all the cheese and crackers, peanuts and cookies they can handle as well as the opportunity to meet new and exciting people. A point the newscasters fail to mention is that these passengers don't have to pay a cover charge for these social "mixers." Surely, there has been more than a few couples united as a result of these "mixers", not to mention the chance business deals initiated. Just as Christmas is a vehicle that drives international commerce, these airlines help employ thousands of lawyers across the country every year in law suits against domestic carriers. Extra fuel burned during these delays increases profits to oil companies, reducing the "pay at the pump" burden on the average American. Increased national exposure benefits name brands of cracker, water, coffee, peanuts, cookies, toilet paper (while it lasts), hotels for stranded passengers as well as restaurants for the same. Don't forget the extra cell phone airtime that boosts the cell phone industry. Doctors around the country benefit from all those extra "deep vein thrombosis" cases seen from extended seating in these delayed airliners. Even Lou Dobbs should be able to see the remarkable and extraordinary boost to the American economy and social structure these "unfortunate" delays bring to this great country. It's like having an American fundraiser every day at this little third world country known the JFK International Airport. We in the airline industry are very proud of the crucial role we play in the re-vitalization of this great country as a result of these "unfortunate” delays. Thank you America; you've been a great audience. Please be sure to tip your congressman before you leave...Goodnight and be careful on your drive to the airport!
JFK Delay Benefits
During those long delays, we try to keep our passengers cool and warm indeed, but happy...? Can you imagine what the press would say if we treated " Club Gitmo" detainees as we treat paying airline passengers? On the plus side; those passengers do get free alcoholic drinks, water, juices and soft drinks as well as all the cheese and crackers, peanuts and cookies they can handle as well as the opportunity to meet new and exciting people. A point the newscasters fail to mention is that these passengers don't have to pay a cover charge for these social "mixers." Surely, there has been more than a few couples united as a result of these "mixers", not to mention the chance business deals initiated. Just as Christmas is a vehicle that drives international commerce, these airlines help employ thousands of lawyers across the country every year in law suits against domestic carriers. Extra fuel burned during these delays increases profits to oil companies, reducing the "pay at the pump" burden on the average American. Increased national exposure benefits name brands of cracker, water, coffee, peanuts, cookies, toilet paper (while it lasts), hotels for stranded passengers as well as restaurants for the same. Don't forget the extra cell phone airtime that boosts the cell phone industry. Doctors around the country benefit from all those extra "deep vein thrombosis" cases seen from extended seating in these delayed airliners. Even Lou Dobbs should be able to see the remarkable and extraordinary boost to the American economy and social structure these "unfortunate" delays bring to this great country. It's like having an American fundraiser every day at this little third world country known the JFK International Airport. We in the airline industry are very proud of the crucial role we play in the re-vitalization of this great country as a result of these "unfortunate” delays. Thank you America; you've been a great audience. Please be sure to tip your congressman before you leave...Goodnight and be careful on your drive to the airport!
09-13-2007, 12:13 PM
#95
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Anyone know where I can get a flight bag sticker that says "I will only make $19,900.00 this year, spend most of that money on eating out on the road, spend 2/3 of my time away from home, but its ok you can complain about being 10 minutes late!"
I seriously do love my job, but its enjoyable to poke fun at it.
I seriously do love my job, but its enjoyable to poke fun at it.
09-13-2007, 01:06 PM
#96
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Anyone know where I can get a flight bag sticker that says "I will only make $19,900.00 this year, spend most of that money on eating out on the road, spend 2/3 of my time away from home, but its ok you can complain about being 10 minutes late!"
I seriously do love my job, but its enjoyable to poke fun at it.
I seriously do love my job, but its enjoyable to poke fun at it.
09-13-2007, 01:08 PM
#97
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Anyone know where I can get a flight bag sticker that says "I will only make $19,900.00 this year, spend most of that money on eating out on the road, spend 2/3 of my time away from home, but its ok you can complain about being 10 minutes late!"
I seriously do love my job, but its enjoyable to poke fun at it.
I seriously do love my job, but its enjoyable to poke fun at it.
that's fabulous
09-13-2007, 01:09 PM
#98
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I dont care what everyone says..... scheduling/planning hates me! Ftrpilot.... in calling reserves ! goes first right? and in senority order, meaning I am a !, and have a pretty high number for being a !, yet I never get called and people on my SAME window, with the SAME days on as me, with LESS senority and MORE hours than me get the trips........ so is that how it works? !, then senority order? How do people with #'s less than me fly more than me, AND take my trips? Ive been off of IOE since July and have about 55 hours in the plane? I just dont understand, I wish I asked more questions during the scheduling training class but this hadnt happened to me yet.....
PAOK has 5 days on A6, so does someone a class behind me.... except he only has 4 days on A6, I have 5...... I get a pretty good trip, next day its GONE, and I have A6 again, and it appears on the guy 7 numbers behind me in senority...........someone please explain! What do I do? I am blocked to fly TWO hours this month, and have 55 hours in the plane.... and the classes behind me are flying their butts off......someone explain!!!!
PAOK has 5 days on A6, so does someone a class behind me.... except he only has 4 days on A6, I have 5...... I get a pretty good trip, next day its GONE, and I have A6 again, and it appears on the guy 7 numbers behind me in senority...........someone please explain! What do I do? I am blocked to fly TWO hours this month, and have 55 hours in the plane.... and the classes behind me are flying their butts off......someone explain!!!!
09-13-2007, 01:11 PM
#99
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Let me stress TWO HOURS IN A MONTH...last month was around EIGHT HOURS THAT I FLEW. but dont worry all the people from the june and july classes are on 4 days.....umm cough....my 120 days is comming up soon, NOT THEIRS!!!!! and I have 55 hours..
09-13-2007, 01:18 PM
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PAOK, if I understand it correctly, if both you and another reserve are !, and he has less seniority than you, he'll get the trip. Or if you are given a trip and a lineholder is displaced, then lineholder will get it. But if you're #, then I think you'll get it over the non-# reserve. I've been with the company for over 4 years, been flyinhg since March, and I admit I'm far from understanding the rules. FTR, help me out here. (and FTR, I'm still waiting on that card game you promised....except I have no more readys this month)
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