ExperimentalAB

Don't go there - I'm certainly not afraid of mgmt. But I would rather work the relationship we have than live in misery, having ALPA fight mgmt tooth and nail for a QOL that couldn't possibly be leaps and bounds ahead of what we've already got.

Airsupport

you have been at skywest how long??? 3 months? yeah, management gave you a great deal on that last contract.. wait, my friend told me he got a 10 cent raise on the bro... HURRAY FOR SAPA,, thanks guys. it really does honestly sound like you are scared of management. i am not trying to pick a fight or start something, but for someone to say "hey lets just take what uncle jerry gives us, because i would rather have peace in the home then get what we deserve". Management will be ****ed because you stabbed them in the back???? hahaha, yeah, like i said, everyone just loves the management at skywest... you are showing how long you have been at skywest by these comments.

and thats coming from a former skywest guy who was there for a while,, you could learn something from him. i have been at pinnacle for almost 2 years now. when i first started and uncle phil came and talked to us i was so excited.. we were going to have a new contract, new work rules, pay would increase, yada yada yada... now that i have been here for a while i know that management (be it 9e or OO) only care about one thing.. the share holders. that is their job, and they do it good. pilots are only components in the plane. if they could they would mel us and be done with it.

like i said, these statements only show how long you have been at skywest. several of my buddies (i went to and graduated from flight school there in the slc valley so that is where all of my friends went) have said that they are all for the union. they are tired of the company inventing rules as they go along. and i have already told the story on here about one of my buddies that was hauled into the chief pilots office for something the captain did... no one there to represent him,, he really thought he was going to get fired, and there would be nothing that would protect him..

ExperimentalAB

Again...I have never, and will never be afraid of management. Don't question that again. Okay?

Let me put my reasoning as simply as I possibly can: Before SkyWest I have never held a Job (and there have been plenty, believe me) where I was treated even half as fairly.

Also, to counter your other point, time and time again, as is the case at many other regionals, management continually breaches contract terms over and over again. Having no contract here vs. a contract there is essentially the same thing, no??

I will vote...and either way, whatever is decided I will support. I'll have had my say.

So lay off my back. Ya'll are hyenas trying to push your agenda on those at SkyWest. Not cool.

Airsupport

Like i said, i am not trying to start something.. just comments like "i would rather let management have there way so everyone is happy" doesn't sound good. yes management can breach a contract. but when they do there is a consequence, usually monetary. so its not in their best intrest to break the contract, because if they do it will cost them their precious money. at skywest if they break the "agreement", then thats the end of it.. nothing can be done.

i dont care if skywest becomes alpa. it will not result in more money for me or raise my qol in the time i will be at the regionals. i was responding to the original post about skywest and alpa. plus lots of my friends who have been at skywest for almost a couple years now disagree with you. like i said one of my friends was pretty ****ed when he got his 10cent raise... that was a nice "kick in the crotch" i believe were his exact words.

ExperimentalAB

Okey doke...well just let it be known that I won't bow down to management purely in the interest of peace rather than risk conflict! Just so that's settled LoL

And I do feel for your buddies - $.10 hurts, but to put it in perspective, to my knowledge no regional pilot, anywhere, is paid more to fly a 30 seat Prop (besides maybe those Eagle guys on the Saab) - and the F/O's here aren't seat-locked - we're paid the same first year regardless of airframe, and then the Bro guys can come over to the dark-side for the better 2nd year RJ pay...

ghilis101

dont justify what happened to the EMB-120 pilots. its just plain wrong and insulting.

Slaphappy

All you alpa people at other airlines please stay out of the affairs of skywest, you only hurt your own cause (which is to hurt skywest so you can feed off our flying) when you try and strong arm people at skywest to vote for your failed union.

RedeyeAV8r

I hardly see how a Failed SKYwest would help or Hurt FedEx, UPS or any of the legacies.

Relax most of us want you guys/gals to prosper, because if you do it helps the rest of your Regional bretheren. And when the Regional folks start to gain, it in turn helps the Legacies and LCC's too. It steam rolls, if you guys get better things, maybe your friends at other regionals will top you and then raise the bar for your next round.................That is how this industry works.

I've worked at couple hard line ALPA carriers, Non-Union carriers and have worked with an independent. From my experience ALPA is in your over all best interest and will be cheaper in the long run than with an independent. You will be far better off with a Union than without.

With our independent, the dues were intially cheaper than ALPA's, but we had to hire a ton of outside experts. RLA attornies, ERISA attornies, Insurance actuairies and Communication/PR firms, not to mention WAR chest/negotiation $$ assessments.

After all was said and Done, ALPA was a lot cheaper since all of these things come with your dues.

So relax and chill out, we are all rooting for you to negotiate a much better deal than you have now. If you guys really don't want ALPA, that is your call.

But from one who has been in this industry over 20 years and seen the ups and downs more than a few times, my advice is to go ALPA.

If you have real heartburn with advice that might be contrary to your own opinion, I suggest you stop viewing this forum. Otherwise, read folks opinions and take it for what it is. Merely advice.

Good luck your going to need it.

texaspilot76

Way to go. I respect you Skywest guys. It's great to see you all stand up and avoid the attempts a of hostile union takeover at your airline. I will buy any of you guys a beer if i run into you somwhere on an overnight.

BoilerUP

Who do you work for, tex?