"It's standard procedure" ?????
08-26-2007, 07:03 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Posts: 379
Just because you CAN get hired without your CFI doesn't mean you should. I was a military pilot for 5 years and thought I knew it all. When I got my CFI-I and taught for 650 hours l learn an enormous amount. It will make you a better pilot.
If you can get a real job flying frieght or something, that's just as good. But the guys that are having trouble at ASA are having it while in IOE and when they get sent to the line are the guys who only have their ratings and purchased some block time to get their logbook up. The experience you get with a "first job" like traffic watch, flight instructing, or small frieght is HUGE!
I've heard we recently fired a couple of new hires after they went through extra sims, extra IOE, and were repeatedly sent back to training dept. by line captains because they just couldn't cut it.
You don't want to have getting fired for being a bad pilot on your resume.
Don't be in such a hurry.... get the experience, then show up when you know you will be successful.
Stick
If you can get a real job flying frieght or something, that's just as good. But the guys that are having trouble at ASA are having it while in IOE and when they get sent to the line are the guys who only have their ratings and purchased some block time to get their logbook up. The experience you get with a "first job" like traffic watch, flight instructing, or small frieght is HUGE!
I've heard we recently fired a couple of new hires after they went through extra sims, extra IOE, and were repeatedly sent back to training dept. by line captains because they just couldn't cut it.
You don't want to have getting fired for being a bad pilot on your resume.
Don't be in such a hurry.... get the experience, then show up when you know you will be successful.
Stick
08-26-2007, 07:20 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Mid Field Left Base
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I got my private and thought I knew something.....Got my Instrument, and realized how much I didn't know after private. Then I got my CFI and CFII , taught a while and realized, again, how much I didn't know after getting the Instrument.
You never know what you don't know until you learn it.
You never know what you don't know until you learn it.
08-26-2007, 07:27 PM
#13
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The AGI is not a bad thing to get. It is just the same CFI written you took before. So it costs $60 bucks to take the written. You have the AGI forever and if you ever decide to CFI again some day you can get the Gold Seal.
Things like CFI, CFII, MEI, AGI, IGI although not necessary does show initiative that may pay off some day
Things like CFI, CFII, MEI, AGI, IGI although not necessary does show initiative that may pay off some day
08-26-2007, 08:00 PM
#14
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: JS32 FO
Posts: 848
Getting your MEI and never using it probably was a waste unless you didn't have to pay for those 15 PIC. The real question is whether this dude will let his CFI lapse. If so, then yeah, he wasted his money. Could've gone solo or on an IFR cross-country and been better off. If he renews it, then he's probably thinking long-term. It was drilled into my head not to let that CFI lapse. I'd say that's good advice.
08-26-2007, 08:19 PM
#15
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
I ran into a fellow CFI the other day that was just finishing up a computerized MEI/AGI test. I asked how chasing the dream was for him, and he said that resumes were going out in a week or so. I asked why he got the ratings, only to not use them. Wouldn’t that look funny on a resume? He said it was standard procedure and necessary to get the MEI and AGI ratings to get hired by a regional airline. His flight hours are right about at minimums (500/100)
Is he right, or did he just waste a bunch of money?
I think it would be pointless to put a wet rating like that on a resume. Almost like paying for a CRJ standards course?
Is he right, or did he just waste a bunch of money?
I think it would be pointless to put a wet rating like that on a resume. Almost like paying for a CRJ standards course?
08-26-2007, 08:20 PM
#16
Che Guevara
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Wierd thought. Does getting your AGI extend it for another two years? Do they give you a new license for that?
08-26-2007, 09:06 PM
#17
Chief Jeppesen Updater
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Getting the MEI written done without the actual certificate is kinda a waste. I wouldn't list having "MEI Written Complete" on a resume. Getting an AGI/IGI certificate isn't necessarily a waste.
Personally I have an IGI (and one day when I get motivated, I'll go back and get my AGI just cuz).
Getting an MEI isn't a waste either, however it isn't necessary either. There have been times (particularly now) that I wish that I had finished my MEI. Although you don't think you will ever use those ratings once you land your first airline gig, you never know. I know that now that I am in a corporate environment, there have been times when an MEI would have been useful (such as both crewmembers in a 2 pilot flight department are no longer instrument current and we need to get an IPC done to fly IFR- would have been a lot easier to go up VFR in the plane we regularly fly and do an IPC instead of going and getting one somewhere else. Too bad neither of us have an MEI...)
As for the CFI ratings, you can never go wrong with teaching. It's not for everybody, but to this day I regard my teaching days as the period where my flying abilities were at their finest. If you have it, pay the money and keep it renewed! American Flyers course is the best out there. Pay once for lifetime renewals.
Personally I have an IGI (and one day when I get motivated, I'll go back and get my AGI just cuz).
Getting an MEI isn't a waste either, however it isn't necessary either. There have been times (particularly now) that I wish that I had finished my MEI. Although you don't think you will ever use those ratings once you land your first airline gig, you never know. I know that now that I am in a corporate environment, there have been times when an MEI would have been useful (such as both crewmembers in a 2 pilot flight department are no longer instrument current and we need to get an IPC done to fly IFR- would have been a lot easier to go up VFR in the plane we regularly fly and do an IPC instead of going and getting one somewhere else. Too bad neither of us have an MEI...)
As for the CFI ratings, you can never go wrong with teaching. It's not for everybody, but to this day I regard my teaching days as the period where my flying abilities were at their finest. If you have it, pay the money and keep it renewed! American Flyers course is the best out there. Pay once for lifetime renewals.
08-26-2007, 09:14 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
Waste? Not a Waste?
Did you learn something that will make you a better pilot? If so, it's never a waste.
Did you do see the MEI as a waste if you can get a shiney jet job without one?
Well. That I can't argue with.....
Did you learn something that will make you a better pilot? If so, it's never a waste.
Did you do see the MEI as a waste if you can get a shiney jet job without one?
Well. That I can't argue with.....
08-26-2007, 10:00 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: CH2T Worst plane ever
Posts: 673
Originally Posted by FlyerJosh;221724[I
]Getting the MEI written done without the actual certificate is kinda a waste. I wouldn't list having "MEI Written Complete" on a resume. Getting an AGI/IGI certificate isn't necessarily a waste.[/I]
Personally I have an IGI (and one day when I get motivated, I'll go back and get my AGI just cuz).
Getting an MEI isn't a waste either, however it isn't necessary either. There have been times (particularly now) that I wish that I had finished my MEI. Although you don't think you will ever use those ratings once you land your first airline gig, you never know. I know that now that I am in a corporate environment, there have been times when an MEI would have been useful (such as both crewmembers in a 2 pilot flight department are no longer instrument current and we need to get an IPC done to fly IFR- would have been a lot easier to go up VFR in the plane we regularly fly and do an IPC instead of going and getting one somewhere else. Too bad neither of us have an MEI...)
As for the CFI ratings, you can never go wrong with teaching. It's not for everybody, but to this day I regard my teaching days as the period where my flying abilities were at their finest. If you have it, pay the money and keep it renewed! American Flyers course is the best out there. Pay once for lifetime renewals.
Personally I have an IGI (and one day when I get motivated, I'll go back and get my AGI just cuz).
Getting an MEI isn't a waste either, however it isn't necessary either. There have been times (particularly now) that I wish that I had finished my MEI. Although you don't think you will ever use those ratings once you land your first airline gig, you never know. I know that now that I am in a corporate environment, there have been times when an MEI would have been useful (such as both crewmembers in a 2 pilot flight department are no longer instrument current and we need to get an IPC done to fly IFR- would have been a lot easier to go up VFR in the plane we regularly fly and do an IPC instead of going and getting one somewhere else. Too bad neither of us have an MEI...)
As for the CFI ratings, you can never go wrong with teaching. It's not for everybody, but to this day I regard my teaching days as the period where my flying abilities were at their finest. If you have it, pay the money and keep it renewed! American Flyers course is the best out there. Pay once for lifetime renewals.
jk jk jk
08-27-2007, 01:58 AM
#20
Chief Jeppesen Updater
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Position: Executive Transport Driver
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Actually, IMO it's a good rating to have. You can't go wrong with teaching. (Oh and I'm an EX-121 guy. Don't forget that!)
