contrails

If I may ask, how does deadheading help you earn more?

KiloAlpha

Nice work ToiletDuck, looks like you put some time and effort into that post.

JoeyMeatballs

Doesnt count for 30/7, so I can fly more, and still get paid for the DEADHEAD flight time 100%

Vader

Saab, are you still on reserve?

JoeyMeatballs

Nah I was only on reserve for 3 months...............

CL65driver

Reserve isn't all that bad at XJT... when I sat reserve in IAH, I was actually able to time out Feb, Mar and Apr.

First year pay isn't all that bad if you can play your cards right.

johnso29

That is correct. The entire industry needs to pay better for the E-Jet series. But because regional pilots are willing to operate them for crap pay that starts a cycle that allows every management group to use that as leverage against their pilot groups when negotiations come around. Please do not short yourselves on this contract. BB will probably not want to offer much more money and you need to get it. Especially if he does eventually filter out all of your 50 seaters. Set a bar for all other 170/175 operators. Help raise the industry back to decent, respectable pay. Don't just settle for the rates you have now, they are not good. Neither are JB's,UsAirs,or Compass. Its bad enought that we have these planes at Regional levels to begin with, but if they are gonna be here, make management pay for them.

whiskerbizkit

The problem with this industry, regional, major, what ever, is we shouldnt have to work our a$$ off to make a living. I dont want to pick up trips on days off or work 100hrs a month. If you continue to do that and post I made X amount as a RJ fo by killing yourself then things will never change.

ToiletDuck

You missed the point. The pay for these planes isn't just within industry standard for the E-jets. They are within the linear decline throughout the industry of aviation. To demand more of them would simply make them that more unreasonable to use and could potentially end up shooting ourselves in the foot. The more seats they can put on a plane the cheaper they can pay per seat/hr to the crews. That's one thing that makes them more economical to use. You can stand up and demand and shake your fist all you want but the numbers don't add up. I hope with all intentions that we see higher pay but for that to happen the pay across the board would have to up. If our pay just jumped up on the 175 it would be more reasonable for us to move on to 737's etc.

I know the price of fuel has changed which would greatly affect the cost of these aircraft per hour but take a look http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpi...g4/wp28app.pdf The numbers themselves can change all they want. If the price of one goes up so does the price of another. Take a look at the ERJ-145 vs. a 737-800 and show me how much arguing room a pilot group has before the other aircraft becomes more reasonable.

A Delta 10yr 737 captain will make $116,200 base pay.
A RAH 10y 175 captain will make $79,200 base pay.

The Delta 737 carries 3 times as many people and only makes 46% more. There isn't much wiggle room for our pilots to fight with. Statistically we are doing quite well. So what are you basing your argument on? Can you say why they should pay more? Why is $1 per seat in an 88 seat aircraft not reasonable? What can they be compared to? We've already established you can't have 145 style pay because the whole industry would tank and that's why 145's, or smaller, are so unreasonable already.

ToiletDuck

Very true. On our company boards you actually get yelled at if you try and pick up open time unless it's for some good reason; ie. 150% pay, extra days off when you want them etc.