ToiletDuck

I don't know why but lately there have been a TON of people being failed out by RAH. CHQ specifically that I know of. Almost an entire class of CRJ's and 1/4 of the past ERJ class. Many of these people were previous 121 guys. I don't understand what's going on. Perhaps hitting the bottom of the barrel? I think we still have 8 planes parked so we definitely still need people. If you're in training don't slack.

flynavyj

eh, that sux

SharkAir

When you say hitting the bottom of the barrel, are you talking about the instructors or the applicants?

rickair7777

An entire class??? Was there a cheating ring? If not, that's almost hard to belive...

chazbird

SharkAir writes: "When you say hitting the bottom of the barrel, are you talking about the instructors or the applicants?"

-Good question!

It almost always takes years of experience to be a effective teacher/instructor, and you most definitely have to want to be doing it. Few companies I've see actually have classes for their instructors in how people learn, practicing feedback, motivation, etc. (i.e. learning psychology). I know nothing about said company but are there other companies who perhaps, in some manner, "junior man" people into instructing because it may pay more, has fewer overnights, or are just perhaps out-right Shanghighed (SP) from the line in order to get more people on the already understaffed line - sort of like a triage situation. Honestly, I don't know but having parked airplanes for lack of crews is what makes me wonder such thoughts.

ToiletDuck

Very good question. Believe it or not one of the hardest things for me while going through was dealing with the Flight Safety instructor who spent more time telling us how he trains for so many different airlines and how he doesn't understand why we do it different than Xjt.

Ric yes it was almost an entire class.. 25 people. I don't know how the current ERJ class is doing but the one that just graduated is missing half of it's applicants. No 121 guys made it through. Most were ex mesa. A few broke down and couldn't handle it. A small pile failed the orals. This was word of mouth from a girl that was in the class.

flynavyj

ya know that's really rough...over at TSA we commonly have guys who fail out of initial training, and there have been lots of busts during upgrade...but initial training for someone with prior 121 experience doesn't sound very good...i know in college if a student failed a test, it was probably the student, if a class failed a test it was probably the teacher.

premier159

Do they take their oral after systems or somewhere between sim sessions? Do they pair FOs w/ FOs or Captain w/FOs? That can also make a world of difference. Either way you are right the strength of the instructor is key!

sigep_nm

Do they all have backpacks?

chazbird

Wow. You mean carriers are using FSI sims - that part isn't unusual - but the carriers themselves aren't using their own instructors? Don't they have any? Having a instructor - any instructor - training three or four different "styles/profiles/abnormals" is potentially trouble making. Plus, its pretty much just madness to use a new hire FO paired with another new hire FO. I see the FAA is really on-top of overseeing "effective training". I think some FSDO's might see the FO & FO pairing and no in-house instructors in a less favorable light. So, who coined the phrase we fly the way we train?