RAH high failures
09-06-2007, 07:04 AM
#61
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i hope you know all the callout prior to sim... i think the biggest problem is that you can know the callouts sitting in a paper sim but when bells and sirens and those two stupid buttons in front of you are flashing...things seem to change. advice to those with sim rides, do something that is very distracting and be able to do all your callout while performing that function i.e. juggle tennis balls while doing all your callouts. have fun all
The key to success with the 170 profiles, callouts, and flows is repetition, repetition, repetition. I stress this to everyone I work with...these items cannot be practiced too many times. Too often, when the pressure ramps up a little, what was thought to be in memory simply flys out the window!!
Hand in hand with repetition is the absolute need to not rush anything. There is nothing in the program that has to be done quickly...no maneuver, no flow, no profile...take everything 'slow and deliberate' and things have a much, much better chance of working out.
09-06-2007, 07:39 AM
#62
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Fair enough! I have never met the dude and I honestly mean no disrespect. Its just that what some people said here fit the profile of a robot we had at MAG a couple of years ago. He has since moved on to the big airline in the sky... probably failing angels on orals for their wings... calling up St Pete and asking what the hell he was thinking when he let so-and-so onto the property... 
Examiners have a tough job- it's their butt on the line when the accident occurs after all. We are all putting a lot of faith in these 250-hour pilots who come on property. Most of them do well, but then there is that 5% (and it sounds like a whole class of 5%-ers lately).
Then again, if someone has a bad attitude it does not matter how cool you are as an instructor or examiner- they will slam you and blame you for their poor performance of whatever it was they popped on the ride.
Examiners have a tough job- it's their butt on the line when the accident occurs after all. We are all putting a lot of faith in these 250-hour pilots who come on property. Most of them do well, but then there is that 5% (and it sounds like a whole class of 5%-ers lately).
Then again, if someone has a bad attitude it does not matter how cool you are as an instructor or examiner- they will slam you and blame you for their poor performance of whatever it was they popped on the ride.
Scott was more than fair on my checkride, and from what I hear everyone else's.
He even gave one guy 2 chances on the single engine go-around on his RE-CHECK after failing once, getting more training and messing it up the first time when he came back.
He is differently not out to fail people, but he wants to make sure you know what you are doing.
His major problem though is that he thinks the 145's QRH (that he wrote) is perfect like it was handed down from God when in reality it is one of the worst and un-user friendly in the industy.
He even gave one guy 2 chances on the single engine go-around on his RE-CHECK after failing once, getting more training and messing it up the first time when he came back.
He is differently not out to fail people, but he wants to make sure you know what you are doing.
His major problem though is that he thinks the 145's QRH (that he wrote) is perfect like it was handed down from God when in reality it is one of the worst and un-user friendly in the industy.
09-06-2007, 09:04 AM
#63
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And for those guys that think callout problems end after your checkride...
I was flying into DEN the other day and got slam-dunked BIG-time (the worst I've ever seen) from Approach. We were still very clean at Flaps 8, so we obviously had to dirty up fairly quickly.
Anyway, there I am flying (and cool as a cucumber I thought), when I called for Flaps 22 (yes, in the CRJ). Needless to say the Captain looked at me like I had three heads. It even took me a full 5 seconds to realize what I said haha...It happened one other time that day - I'm not sure on which call-out though.
Once in awhile I'll still revert to my old Airplane...the law of "Primacy," right?!
I was flying into DEN the other day and got slam-dunked BIG-time (the worst I've ever seen) from Approach. We were still very clean at Flaps 8, so we obviously had to dirty up fairly quickly.
Anyway, there I am flying (and cool as a cucumber I thought), when I called for Flaps 22 (yes, in the CRJ). Needless to say the Captain looked at me like I had three heads. It even took me a full 5 seconds to realize what I said haha...It happened one other time that day - I'm not sure on which call-out though.
Once in awhile I'll still revert to my old Airplane...the law of "Primacy," right?!
09-06-2007, 04:25 PM
#64
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Our buddy S.H., what can I say about Scooter? He is who he is. He built the 145 program when they first showed up. Like anyone who creates anything, they think it's perfect, and they want to protect it. He's a nose-to-the-grindstone type of guy. It's kinda the old-school East Coast, get in a tprop monster, hand fly it in the crap everyday since no autopilot is installed, you gotta be on it type. The 145 program reflects this. It is not right nor wrong. It's just the way it is. Could there be a more effective use of automation, change of flows and other "improvements"? Sure, but there doesn't NEED to be. Back to Scooter. He is just what he is. He's not your beer buddy, not your wing man, nor your dad. He tests to the PTS (I've taken ALOT of his checkrides), and debriefs and nitpicks to the nth, but if you make the standards you pass.
What can I say about failures? There are several types. First, the I just ****ed up failures. You know you made a mistake. Second, there are the lazy people, who it's everyone's fault but their own. You know them. "The Checkairman expected me to have all the memory items MEMORIZED!!" "I can't believe they want ALL the call outs from the SOP!!!" "I thought this way was better", and the nefarious "Well at my OLD airline they did this". Finally the ones I feel for, the people that just aren't up to task. They study, work hard, and just can't perform.
What can I say about failures? There are several types. First, the I just ****ed up failures. You know you made a mistake. Second, there are the lazy people, who it's everyone's fault but their own. You know them. "The Checkairman expected me to have all the memory items MEMORIZED!!" "I can't believe they want ALL the call outs from the SOP!!!" "I thought this way was better", and the nefarious "Well at my OLD airline they did this". Finally the ones I feel for, the people that just aren't up to task. They study, work hard, and just can't perform.
09-06-2007, 04:53 PM
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Jeez...I haven't been on the boards in a while. Due to, you guessed it, RAH training. In the last class (E145), I know one guy failed out, but everyone else passed, at least here in Houston. I'm not sure about the STL guys. In our class, so far, everyone has passed the oral, and two passes (including me a few minutes ago
) and one fail on the sim ride. The guy that failed worked his butt off too...I felt for him. Now we're off to CMH for plug door training
, THEN IOE.
) and one fail on the sim ride. The guy that failed worked his butt off too...I felt for him. Now we're off to CMH for plug door training, THEN IOE.
11-25-2007, 10:03 AM
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Position: 747-400 FO at Big BROWN
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I usually don't post in this forum anymore since I have moved on to big Brown, but while reading this I can see that very few of these people posting on here even have a clue about things both past and present at RAH.
As far as regionals go...it is a good place to work and the training while not perfect is high quality and very fair.
As far as SH, I think my friend Jerry Springer's post above as usual is spot on.
As far as regionals go...it is a good place to work and the training while not perfect is high quality and very fair.
As far as SH, I think my friend Jerry Springer's post above as usual is spot on.
11-25-2007, 11:19 AM
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Position: 170 babysitter
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I usually don't post in this forum anymore since I have moved on to big Brown, but while reading this I can see that very few of these people posting on here even have a clue about things both past and present at RAH.
As far as regionals go...it is a good place to work and the training while not perfect is high quality and very fair.
As far as SH, I think my friend Jerry Springer's post above as usual is spot on.
As far as regionals go...it is a good place to work and the training while not perfect is high quality and very fair.
As far as SH, I think my friend Jerry Springer's post above as usual is spot on.
11-25-2007, 11:58 AM
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Position: E170 FO
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Just remember that as far as training goes, CHQ is a whole different beast compared to RW (somewhat so for S5, but its closer). The training philosophy is very different between the two (goes back to the tprop comments above). RW's program was pretty much ported directly from Midatlantic which was effectively US mainline. It may be one seniority list, but they are still 3 different airlines.
11-28-2007, 04:19 AM
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Jeez...I haven't been on the boards in a while. Due to, you guessed it, RAH training. In the last class (E145), I know one guy failed out, but everyone else passed, at least here in Houston. I'm not sure about the STL guys. In our class, so far, everyone has passed the oral, and two passes (including me a few minutes ago) and one fail on the sim ride. The guy that failed worked his butt off too...I felt for him. Now we're off to CMH for plug door training, THEN IOE.
) and one fail on the sim ride. The guy that failed worked his butt off too...I felt for him. Now we're off to CMH for plug door training, THEN IOE.
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