RAH high failures
07-24-2007, 12:02 PM
#31
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S. Horne gave me both my initial FO PC and my type ride during upgrade. Both the rides were very fair; tough, but fair. He doesn't give any free passes when it comes to procedures/callouts. I think a lot of people expect to have an annual PC type of ride, which his aren't. I never heard of him arbitralily failing someone; they were all legit. He isn't going to send anyone online that isn't ready. Outside of checkrides, I found him like any other line pilot; although he does carry some weight which I think intimidates people.
I know he rubs people the wrong way, but I found him to be a very strict, fair person which during checkride and training times translates into some personality conflicts. Sometimes it is what people need to get motivated.
CHQ (and RAH) have been using FSI outsourced instructors for all initial training since before 2000. I never had a CHQ instructor except for the classroom during upgrade (1 week). All the check rides were done by Check Airmen, though I've heard they've even been using FSI guys for new-hire PCs and types on the 170 because they don't have enough Check Pilots yet. I'm not there anymore, but that is what I heard from pilots that are still there.
I know he rubs people the wrong way, but I found him to be a very strict, fair person which during checkride and training times translates into some personality conflicts. Sometimes it is what people need to get motivated.
CHQ (and RAH) have been using FSI outsourced instructors for all initial training since before 2000. I never had a CHQ instructor except for the classroom during upgrade (1 week). All the check rides were done by Check Airmen, though I've heard they've even been using FSI guys for new-hire PCs and types on the 170 because they don't have enough Check Pilots yet. I'm not there anymore, but that is what I heard from pilots that are still there.
Nice to see you moved on to bigger and better!
07-24-2007, 12:22 PM
#32
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When I started the HQ was at the airport, so you could stop by pay, scheduling, crew planning and it about 10 minutes have all your questions answered. You had a face when you needed to talk to them on the phone (back when they still answered). I flew with Captains that were used to be dual qualified on the SAAB and the Jetstream at the same time and learned about how rough they had it. Times have changed, but I'm glad I've moved on.
07-24-2007, 01:43 PM
#33
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im presently in the CHQ new hire class from the 6-26 and everyone has made it through the written so far both in stl and houston. I would say some of our training hasnt been the smoothest with some management people not making it in to talk to us because of schedules but its been fine. From what we have heard is the last class had some issues in houston because of lack of studying in some cases or argueing with check airmen in others. so far though i would be shocked if anyone didnt make it.
07-24-2007, 02:00 PM
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Since Republic began training on the 170, FSI has done the training and checking. Only recently have RAH checkairmen started doing some checking and orals. Shuttle, on the other hand, has enough checkairmen to handle most, if not all, of their checks and orals.
07-24-2007, 02:05 PM
#35
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wierd...cuz...um...everyone i know (myself and all my classmates included) had company check airmen for our initial orals/checkrides...of course, if recently means "over a year ago" then yea...recently...
07-24-2007, 02:14 PM
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What class were you in? I'll check the class schedule to see what the check and oral assignments were.
07-24-2007, 02:15 PM
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Well, there is a group of about 30 of us starting Indoc tomorrow for the CHQ 145! I'm typing from the hotel in Indy
As soon as I get those books tomorrow, you better believe all free time will be study time. So the check airmen expect you to know company procedures to a T, as they should, but the instructors do not teach it that way. I'm seeing the reason for the rumored high failure rates, if that is the case. Guess I'll find out in a month.
As soon as I get those books tomorrow, you better believe all free time will be study time. So the check airmen expect you to know company procedures to a T, as they should, but the instructors do not teach it that way. I'm seeing the reason for the rumored high failure rates, if that is the case. Guess I'll find out in a month.
07-24-2007, 03:15 PM
#38
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There isnt a lot of info on here about 170 training on Shuttle's side of things. How are the pass rates over there??? I was told beforehand that the 170 training is some of the easiest you will ever do. Any truth???
07-24-2007, 03:27 PM
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Systems in the 170 are less involved than with other aircraft...more computerized, requiring less pilot involvement. Sim training places considerable emphasis on FMS work. If someone does not have a FMS background, the course can be tough. Not everyone comes from a jet background...those who do not find the tempo a real challenge in the beginning...we kid about having a third pilot seat in the aircraft...one back by the APU!!
As is the case with any training program, those who come prepared may well find the program easier than those who do not.
07-24-2007, 03:52 PM
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True. The FMS can be tough if you have no prior experience. However, I am prior 121 so that makes me feel a bit better about it. I am starting class at S5 in a few days and was a little worried after reading this thread!
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