ToiletDuck

Maybe. We've had a few from your company come through.

MoonShot

Poor training or poor new hires, I'm glad that they aren't sending unprepared folks to the line.

G-Dog

Here at RAH, we use the Flight Safety instructors. I thought that was strange not to have in-house instructors when I first came here. I know of, at the time I was in training, that the instructors did not even know our call outs. Does not make for good training.

deadstick35

Almost...
"Train as you fight."
--US Army



Keep in mind that this is only one side of the story. I agree the question of the FSI instructors' proficiency on RAH-specific procedures is troubling, not to mention the fact that almost, if not, 100% failed. However, maybe some of the 121 folks thought they could coast through training. They had 121 experience, had passed training at another carrier, and knew RAH needed people.

Also, where these people already qualified on the CRJ or 145 and going after the bonus? Maybe they couldn't shake the other carriers' procedures -- a law of primacy thing.

I'm not saying this happened, but these are other possibilities.

shackone

What type of aircraft, what training location, and what class date?

WOM is a highly subjective and unreliable way to get information.

15789

Trans States does not have enough instructors to handle the current training loads, so they contract out to FSI for all the new hires(ne. F/O's)and as talanted as FSI instructors are they can't remember 3+ sop's and train each different carrier to standards-so they train their syllabus/sop instead, and let the retrain fix the call out and sop problems.

All the Capt's are trained by TSA people; however, as we are a single type fleet now, the FSDO has authorized a reduced training schedule-which means-All the prior requirements(plus a few new ones) squeezed into half the number of sim sessions. Hence the higher bust rate for capt's. I know the TSA instructors are overwhelmed and inspite their best efforts(which are Herculean) there is no way they can fit all the mandated training in a paltry 4 sessions and a ck ride!

The kicker is that it is only going to get worse throught the industry! (not just the regionals) some of the majors and major cargo carriers are already seeing this as well.

rickair7777

Unlikely. If you did 121 before, you know what to expect.

If you are being re-trained on the same airplane you pretty much should be able to coast. You will tend to use your previous call-outs but that's a minor nuisance compared to all the advantages you have (I have done this).

ToiletDuck

Very true shack. This girl was jumpseating with us and told us that a lot of her class didn't make it. WOM is dangerous though. At first I figured it would be Houston with Mr. Horne nailing them but it turns out these people were from STL. They were spread out over the CRJ and ERJ classes. The massive failure I was talking about was said to be the CRJ class. The girl herself said around half her class didn't make it out of the ERJ. Made my jaw drop considering we had no where near those amounts out of HOU.

I do agree the worst things is the instructors not knowing the company's procedures very well. You learn how to fly the plane, which for this thing is easy, but when you start saying something in the sim and the check airman ask, "Why'd you say that?" it sets a bad tone in there. Saying, "That's how I was trained" doesn't get you very far. You still aren't doing it the company way. Two of the instructors we had were just hired to fly the corporate versions in Kuwait making an arm and a leg so our training went through the floor. Everyday we had a new ground instructor either skipping tons of stuff to get to what he wanted or they'd walk in and go over everything we had just done the day before. Just had the feeling that they hadn't been doing it too long.

chazbird

4 sessions in a EJR or CRJ sim for a new-hire FO with 400-800tt. (Is it reduced for people with prior 121 time? I never heard of something like that though) So, that's it? 4 sessions? Not 8? Not 12? And if its a FO, they are paired with another new hire FO? That's very interesting.....emphasis on "interesting" being highly sardonic.

ToiletDuck

I can't remember but I believe CHQ is 8 including checkride.