cbire880

Horizon is probably the only one who would send you home without any retraining right now. Everyone else is too hard up.

CBeer

downtownkid:

It sounds like you have a good attitude about this. Why did they let you fly with a PNF who had failed the day before? Did they send him home?

My advice is to put your resume back out there and go for it. The regionals are going to be dying for pilots over the next few years. Just be yourself and be honest. Good luck!

Yzerman

That's F'ed up them giving you a PNF who failed. They aren't even qualified. At my airline they give you a line captain, so they know what they're doing and want to help you pass.

belliott

I must agree that it sounds like Horizon. One of my friends from high school failed during the sim and his experience sounds quite a bit like this one. He too did not have a line captain... but his PNF hadn't taken his checkride yet... by coincidence my buddys PNF had the same check pilot and passed after witnessing what the guy put them through...

I am a little out of place when I say this... because I am not an airline pilot as of yet... but I say blow it off and get back into the ball game. Right now there are so many regionals that would be glad to have someone who doesn't have less than 1000TT right now. Best of luck!

Washout

I agree with the prior comments. Apply somewhere else, if you didn't have a problem getting the first interview then you shouldn't have trouble getting a second one. As for the fail showing up on your record, I was under the impression that a SIC type didn't count as a checkride but as a PC and for this reason didn't show up in your file in OKC. Not sure if this is true but that is what I was told.

GL

HermannGraf

any 121 training counts but you will only get an FAA failure record if you fail the checkride twice.

That is the normal but it seems like some gets the record after failing the first time...........anyway most companies ask if you have failed or left a 135 or a 121 training before and there is no point in not being honest about it.........

HercDriver130

just curious what your flight time was going into the training.

keep you head in the game. Good luck.

de727ups

It's hard to judge this hearing only one side of the story, but, you should never start an approach until you're ready. If you had a real Capt in the left seat, "unable" would be an incorrect answer. That's the problem with two F/O's taking a checkride together. I've even seen this at my level and I don't like it.

ATC is there to help you and if you need more time, then you get more time. In real life, ATC doesn't say to an emergency aircraft "unable delay vectors". In real life, it's "what do you need", or "how can I help". In fact, if this were recurrent training, what you experienced could be considered negative training and could cause you to rush unnecessarily if it happened in real life. I mean, what if you were feeling rushed in real life and let ATC "fly the airplane" for you cause that's how it works in the sim. Bad deal....

downtownkid

I am hoping with the way the regionals are hiring, that they will look past this. I fully intend on being completely honest about it, and also show any airline a copy of my training records which I copied before I was kicked out of the company. I am also taking these few weeks and studying my @ss off to be on top of my game for the next interview.

Thanks for your advice!

downtownkid

It was the way of the company. They took two trainies, and when one trainee was flying, the other trainee was acting as captain. It was explained to us that during the checkrides, that if the PNF was not doing the job correctly (call outs, etc) then they would be removed from the sim, and the check airman would step in and be the PNF, well that never happened.

My sim partner went through the checkride first, and the person did horrible, and busted. I asked the check airman to remove my sim partner, as I did not think they were up being the PNF, and I was told no, and I would have to deal with it. Well as everyone knows after you bust a ride, you game is not 100% in it anymore, and that was exactly the case.

Both my sim partner and myself were expelled from training the next day after talking to management.