HermannGraf

I am guessing here but.........I dont think he wants to return there........

Deez340

I'd have to disagree.

poster: Depending on specifics and the way you present them, I think you will have no problem getting on with another 121 regional. What specifically happened on the non-precision and go around that was unsat. What was said in the management meeting? I only ask so i might can help. Also you'll have to get used to and comfortable with these questions as every employer will ask the same thing.

Zoot Suit

Downtownkid,

It's not the end of the world. Years ago maybe but there is a shortage. Also, the corporate world can be much more enjoyable than 121 if you find that the failed checkride is haunting you. There are some awesome corporate jets out there to fly and they don't just go the same route every day. You stay at great hotels and travel to many places. The salaries are very good at most of them. keep your chin up and look forward not back.

HermannGraf

Deez340 makes good points here. At the end it will all be about how you present the case.............

rickair7777

You are correct in that you need to get a 121 job and pass training. Once you punch the 121 ticket future employers will not be too concerned with your ability to complete training, despite the one failure.

Failures happen for a variety of reasons, you just need to prove that it was a transient problem and not indicative of your overall abilities. Avoid regionals with high failure rates...two failures and you are done in the airline world..

downtownkid

Ok, here is what specifically happened on the checkride:

The day of the checkride, I was explained that here is what is going to happen on the checkride.

1. 2 Precision Approaches (One can be coupled, and one couldn't)

2. 2 Non-Precision checkrides (One can be coupled, and one couldn't)

3. V1-Cut

4. An Emergency

5. 3 Landings

During the non-precision approach, I was getting vectors for it. He kept the vectors very tight into the airport, and when I called for the wx & in range check list, I asked the PNF to build the approach into the FMS, and the check airman, told us not to use it. (Let me add that all through training, we were told to use the fms no matter what, because it adds to your SA) so I was a little confused why he would take it away. Well anyway then we were exchanging flight control for the brieft, and he started to give us vectors for the apporach, and I asked for delayed vectors - I was told unable, then I asked to hold over the XYZ vor, and I was told unable, and then I asked for the full procedure approach - once again told was unable. So during this time, we had not briefed the approach, and I hadn't seen the step down on the vor apporach, and I proceed to cross the vor, turn inbound, and descend down to MDA, and I got a terrain warning message, proceeded to go around, and my PNF messed up the call outs, and the go-around was a disaster. Let me also state that the PNF has just failed their checkride before me, and they were acting as captain for my ride.

Well I was told that I failed, and we never completed the whole checkride. We had only completed Steep Turn, Stall, Area Departure, V1-Cut, Single Engine ILS, 1 - Landing, APU fire on the ground. All those mentioned items I had passed without problems. The check airman told me to go back to the hotel and await a call in the morning from management.

When I got back to the hotel, I asked the hotel to make a copy of my training folder. Which I still with me today, and each of my comments it said my attitude was positive, and always showed improvement, and also there was one that said great work ethic, things are really starting to come together, and the extra studying shows.

Next afternoon, I met with management, and there mind had already been made up. I was told since I failied one of the sim sessions, and I passed it the second chance no problem, that there were sending me home, and I could reapply to the company in our year.

So basically I return back home, and I went back to instructing for awhile, until I could figure out what my next move was, and I would like to get out of instructing and move out to the airlines as I've always dreamed of being an airline pilot.

One of my friends told me that it was a very smart idea to take a copy of my training records so I could show a future employer that I had a great attitude, I struggled on somethings, but I studied hard, and it was always reflected in my comments.

Any advice on this would greatly help. I am on the west coast, and I trying very hard to stay where I live, and find a job that will allow me to commute.

Cheers.

downtownkid

I would never try to pass off the blame on anyone than myself. I do believe it was a great learning experience, and I learned a lot from it, and I can honestly say that I think the checkride was rushed, and losing my SA was a huge mistake, and I would never let it happen again.

TexanAviator

Sounds like exactly what they would want to hear in an interview. With the way the regionals are hiring right now it would not hurt you at all to go in and give it a shot. You have been through the program so you know what it takes, and I think they sometimes realize that stuff like that happens. Just like when they asked if I had busted any checkrides in my Interview.

Get your stuff together, get 110% prepared and give it a shot. You will never know otherwise!

Airsupport

from his previous post i think he was working at skywest.

any way you just have to get back on the horse and start riding again. it may be harder to get another chance but like others said being open and honest about the situation will go a long way for you.

bintynogin

It wasn't at Pinnacle, I think it was Horizon. I knew a guy with a similar experience