AlikesitR

I have a PIC type on every jet I’ve flown. In the eyes of every company, I have been a SIC. I therefore have logged my time accordingly.

I think we have found the problem with your application and why you aren’t hearing back. The airlines are viewing your time as inappropriately logged.

An app review company isn’t going to question your time. They will simply help you format it. You desperately need a reality check on what the merits of PIC time are. It’s an immediate red flag to almost any carrier when they see a sub 1500 hour pilot logging Jet PIC.

OscarRomeo

I hope you’re not logging any 135 legs as PIC (14 CFR 135.243). And as others have said, I wouldn’t be putting sole manipulator PIC time on a 121 application. That will raise red flags and also create some awkward moments should you get an interview. You’ll also most likely not be selected for said job either, especially as hiring tightens back up.

AlikesitR

It's a good news bad news situation for part 121 noob.

The good:

We now know why he is not getting any traction in his job hunt. The saga has spanned many forums but ends here. His resume is strong enough to generate at least an interview. Unfortunately the airlines are seeing too many red flags with his logbook.

The bad:

He's been fraudulently (even if only mistaken) logging 135 PIC time under a part 61 rule. It could be difficult to explain.

Cleared4appch

His logbook is all kinds of jacked up, yet he refuses to see his error. Even after being corrected multiple times, he continues to double down and insists that he’s correct and ‘in the right,’ yet nobody is calling him. He thinks he’s ’overqualified’ and has some kind of special talents and skills as an aviator just because he flies a small corporate jet as SIC while ‘logging’ it as PIC. He’s a special kind of entitled little shxx that doesn’t belong in a 121 cockpit until he makes a serious attitude adjustment/course correction, and fixes whatever the hell needs fixing in his disaster of a logbook that he has. I bet he can’t do it. I bet he will continue to bury his head deeper.

JohnBurke

It's not fraudulent. If 121Noob has logged pilot-in-command time as sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft for which he is rated, he has logged in accordance with the regulation. This does NOT violate the regulation.

There is a difference between logging pilot in command time, and acting as pilot in command. One may log PIC time while not the acting PIC. There are cases in which two pilots may simultaneously log PIC in an airplane. There are cases in which neither pilot can log PIC. Logging is a separate issue from acting as PIC, and while multiple pilots can log PIC at the same time under certain conditions, only one may be the acting PIC.

In this case, 121Noob was not the pilot in command. He's stated clearly that he's a second in command under Part 135, that he's type rated, and that there is no possibility of an upgrade with his employer. It's clear that at no point here has 121Noob been the pilot in command with is employer. This does not prevent him from logging the time as PIC.

When we speak of how it's viewed in the industry, we must recognize that the industry at large does not concern itself necessarily with whether that sole-manipulator time is legal (it is), but instead focuses on an industry-wide assumption that one SHOULD not log PIC on a 121 or 135 flight, if one was NOT the assigned pilot in command of record. This is not regulatory, but cultural. Never the less, if one hopes to get ahead, one must understand the industry norms, and act accordingly. One who logs PIC under Part 135, when one is not the acting PIC, has not violated the regulation, but has demonstrated a poor understanding of industry expectations. If one tries to break through that based on one's own standards and interpretations, it's an uphill battle with little to gain.

HostileCombover

Well said… Still doesn’t address the issue of avoiding shaving one’s beard to hide the fact that one may be considering leaving one’s current employer.

JohnBurke

Perhaps put another way, what 121Noob needs to learn to do, and thus far has shown himself wholly incapable of doing, is to read the room.

followingdreams

Are you serious? You know when you go into training at a Regional they get you your ATP, right? So either way when you are done with training you will have your ATP. If the company has some sort of training contract, having your ATP going in does not get you out of that training contract.

121noob

I shaved months ago, don't listen to JB, half the time he is full of it.

121noob

The only regional requiring a training contract at the moment is Republic, right?