Jdub2

Also electively getting the ATP rating is much more of an idication of searching for a job than shaving a beard. At this point 121Noob just shut up and do it

121noob

man you are really slow or have some serious reading comprehension problems. Maybe you need some help? This has been explained multiple times to you yet you continue to repeat the same thing over and over again.

TiredSoul

Cleared4appch

I’m really convinced at this point that 121noob isn’t even a real pilot. Probably a pretend pilot playing Microsoft flight sim each day and is too immature or entitled and doesn’t have the discipline to “get after it” and “make shxx happen.” It’s starting to become comical.

JohnBurke

And...he quadruples down, (again). Shall we begin (again) then?

Have you considered a career with the State Dept in International Diplomacy?

[Did you shave yet?]
Either you see your employer rarely (the one who isn't stupid, whom you were afraid would figure out your job-hunting; the employer who can't compete financially, but that is the same as Netjets...that employer?), you interview rarely, or you have the worlds fastest-growing beard.

Sounds very desirable. I'd hire you.

Good god, you've hit the nail on the head. You're overqualified!

One might postulate that given your lack of a flight instructor certificate, you lack competitive qualifications, too. Could this be? An actual race toward he-who-has-the-least-qualification?

Why should you. You have well over 1,500 hours, and Delta should be banging down your door with a golden sledgehammer. Try not to slip in the drool. They'll be slathering all over you.

You'd be willing to take a pay cut. You can't afford to take a pay cut. You'd be willing to take a pay cut. But you can't afford to work for xxx or yyy or zzz. You'd be willing to take a pay cut, but you're not willing to live in poverty to be able to fly an airplane. Alrighty, then.

One excuse after the other, line pins in a bowling alley. Do we have a strike yet, or is it merely a spare? Have you a spare career?

Allegant hasn't offered you a job, have they? You're offended by the pay they haven't offered you? Does it keep you up at night? A good share of your posts on this site are devoted in detail to why you can't live on what Allegiant pays. Do you suppose that if no regional will give you the time of day, Allegiant will trip over itself hiring you? Perhaps if you explain at the interview that their wages offend you, they'll offer you more on Day 1, just like you thought Delta would hire you when you show up for the interview with a beard, if you explain at the interview you'd shave it on Day 1.

Exactl same job as Netjets (and for a while now! Wow!!), and yet they won't give you the time of day. What's up with that? Perhaps they haven't realized yet that you're overqualified. You'd think that with your lack of CFI, they'd jump at the chance, and let's face it, they've got to find your lack of managment experience a tantalizing proposition, and if you tell them you'll shave your beard on Day 1, they'll jump through hoops. Try it. Take a hoop to the interview and watch. You'll see.

But, but, but, you said you'd be willing to take a pay cut to go to a regional, and right now you make seventy-three thousand, or so you've said. So, not a ten grand pay cut. Five, then? Three? A measily thousand dollar pay cut for a shiny regional jet?

Thousands? That alone ought to get your foot in the door, just about anywhere. With that kind of sacrifice, you'll probably get the Wright Brothers award along with the keys to the cockpit, and a nice, tidy donation to your 401K, in the offing. You really spent thousands? You must be dedicated, if you rented an airplane. Nobody else has ever done that.

It's all horrible, unliveable, gone too much, and not hiring. It's like the magic eight ball; turn it over and there's a prepared excuse, ready to go. Can't, can't, can't. Won't, won't, wont. Unable, unable, unable. Ain't gonna, ain't gonna, ain't gonna. Overqualified, overqualified, overqualified. And spent thousands. And rented an airplane. And will shave beard on Day 1.

That's not just simulated time, folks. He's got real-world, honest-to-god genuine, unadulterated, actual, no-nonsense, been-there-and-done-that-and-got-the-tee-shirt jet and turboprop time. Sole manipulator while someone else was the actual PIC time, mind you, but it's real-world. and that's real-neat. You're going to have to put up signs to keep UPS off our lawn as they dig a path to your door to beg you to come work for them (unless...oh yes, you won't do cargo...sorry...forgot), lest they trample your flower garden.

Most 121 operators don't give credence to logged PIC time when one wasn't actually the pilot in command (say, time at a 135 operation that "isn't upgradeable), where one's a SIC. But what the hell? It's hundreds of hours. That's three golden, glorious digits right there. That's the kind of thing that runs a ball-point pen out of ink.

(how did one get that "jet PIC" when one barely makes ATP minimums and is in a 135 job that isn't upgradeable? Have you been flying as the first officer and logging sole manipulator PIC time to make it look like you were the PIC? Ever hear of the concept of he-who-signeth-for-the-jet?)

Perhaps you should just go to Delta. Let them know you'll shave on Day 1, and you're in.

You really don't understand the concept of competitive minimums, do you?

Of course they did. You were overqualified.

Already? Gee whiz, mister, that was fast.

Make sure you let the regional know that up front, in the interview. Let them know just how long you'd grace their doorstep, so they know how long they might be lucky to have you before you move on, to your destiny.

Unfortunately, despite your overqualification, competitive minimums may be a little more than what you're offering. But apply anyway. You never know.

Shocking, given that you're doing the exact same job as flexjet, and you have hundreds of hours. Are you sure they didn't call, and you just missed it? Maybe you were combing your beard, and the crunchy sound drowned out the ringing of the phone?

You sure sound overqualified to me. I think you were right. You're not getting the call because employers are concerned that you're just too much for them. I had a large dachshund that we couldn't let on the bed, for the same reason. Just too much. Maybe instead of logging those hundreds of hours that you paid thousands for, you could shave a few off. You know, white-out half of it in your log, and make yourself a little less qualified. It might work.

Shall we go on?

QRH Bingo

Holy typewriter Batman! You must be stuck in a hotel on an isolated island somewhere.

JohnBurke

Both, actually. Very late at night, having arrived Friday night from a trip that started Thursday morning. My caffeine gum is woring overtime. 121Noob did request it, though (the run-down, not the gum).

That and Jon Stewart's rejected popcorn maneuver was kind of a challenge.

Cleared4appch

Lolol if you’ve been following along with everything that 121noob has been saying on every thread he’s touched, you would understand why johnburke did that. Had to get the popcorn while reading that. It’s beyond tiresome trying to help 121noob.

TiredSoul

I’m still laughing

Ravenwing

I think he doth protest too much. I feel bad for 121noob's bruised ego but find JohnBurke's tear down highly amusing.

My humble understanding is that airlines only care about PIC time where you are the only one in the plane or where you are the captain signing for the jet. I have made a point of subtracting all dual received PIC time from my resume and have never logged PIC as the sole manipulator of the flight controls. I would think logging jet PIC could be a red flag for 121noob.

Unfortunately competitive minimums have changed greatly in the last year. I can only guess at what the recruiters are looking at, but I would do whatever you can to make yourself more competitive. The regionals are hiring. But when there are fewer slots they can choose to call only those they think are the best. The ATP written should be enough for the regionals and the full ATP will help with companies like JetBlue. But that is merely my speculation.