flynd94

dont feed the anti union troll

Flyweight

Upgrades are in the indoc bid pack. What is there to argue?

rickair7777

Yes.

They are useful at the regional level for workrules and more significantly stable contracts and due process. I was in favor of ALPA at skywest, for those reasons. But in the end it didn't really make much difference for me personally either way.

But regional unions cannot overcome the fundamental economics of the business model, which has evolved specifically to that end.

The big pay increases at the regionals were driven solely by market forces (which were amplified by major airline unions, which DO have very real leverage).

Hedley

Theyre still being offered, but there aren't enough people interested in bidding the slots. They'll go unfilled and be offered/forced with the new hire drops.

HotSnakes

Remember to alwasy live within your means! It wasn't too long ago, 2012, back at Shuttle America now Republic that guys made $21.95 an hour. Guarantee was 75hrs on reserve plus perdium. Before taxes I made $22,674.87 my first year as an FO. Then I thought just wait till im a line holder I'll have a line with around 85hrs pick up some overtime. Little did I know we didn't have cancelation pay. So your line after you had flights cancled was back down to 75hrs of credit. This adventure taught me alot. It taught me how to stretch every penny and to always ask myself do I really need this. Materialistic life doesn't bring happiness. Enjoy the good times and prepare for the bad times. Live your life and don't overthink things. I hope we never see these type of wages again and don't think we will, but you never know.

Peoplemvr

Thats not what they said in TPA.

Hedley

Must have missed something. What was said in TPA?

Cujo665

significant truth to that. The closest we came was 2012-2015 when every regional noon was voting down every concessiinary TA, in some cases voting no several times. Even places like Silver were voting no. The PSA MEC (all very senior) were offered all of Eagles CRJ700's to upgrade every FO on property to CA pay, and flow to AA that since they were 1/3rd eagles size woukd let a new hire there flow to AA 4 years ahead of Eagle guys. So, they took concessions when nobody else would and their entire MEC flowed to AA within the year. Of course they were threatened with being the next Comair if they didn't, just like they threatened the same to the Eagle guys. In the end,mall it took was one MEC to fold to ruin the trade unionism solidarity that was stopping concessions.

tyen by mid 2015 they were experiencing exactly what we told them was coming, the onset of a real pilot shortage and they started giving back everything they'd taken and more. Their push for concessions over decades made the job so unattractive that nobody took up the profession. Over time they were forced to continually hire lower and lower time pilots. The pilot shortage was entirely of their own making.

CLE to IAH

I voted no at XJT just after bringing home $16k my first year.

:-)

Swakid8

This is the byproduct the regional industry... Management knew how to take advantage of the human element of shelf preservation. Who's going to to vote themselves out of a job permanently when odds are against them succeeding by standing their ground on saying No. This is what the PSA group was looking at I am sure.... Had they said no, there would have been no PSA today... It's easy to shut down a regional airline... We saw it with Comair and recently ExpressJet... It sucks for the Eagle guys too, they were bitter towards PSA guys for a long time about it, but I would bet Eagle would vote the say way had they were in

Its hard to maintain leverage in a industry where metal can easily get shifted around. Hence why the saying of "get to a job quickly where the paycheck matches the paint on the side of the aircraft".