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Old 12-14-2022, 10:41 AM
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Slightly different take on the previous thread regarding choosing one of these 3.

Considering a DEC position at one of these wholly owned carriers. Will be commuting from CMH. Have seriously considered Republic because of the CMH base, but the stability seems better at the wholly owned carriers over the next few years. Don't want to join a sinking ship. Also, Republic’s pay rate seems to be no where near comparable to the others. Wont stay at a regional for life, just thinking of cashing in on the bonuses and TPIC time for the next thing.

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Which of these 3 will be the best bet for a commuter stuck in eternal reserve as a DEC? Im aware that it will suck, min days off, etc. Are they all essentially similar QOL and work rules, just different bases and aircraft? Or does one have an edge over the others? Have lots of E170/175 time, if that matters.
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Old 12-14-2022, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SamEagle
Slightly different take on the previous thread regarding choosing one of these 3.

Considering a DEC position at one of these wholly owned carriers. Will be commuting from CMH. Have seriously considered Republic because of the CMH base, but the stability seems better at the wholly owned carriers over the next few years. Don't want to join a sinking ship. Also, Republic’s pay rate seems to be no where near comparable to the others. Wont stay at a regional for life, just thinking of cashing in on the bonuses and TPIC time for the next thing.

So here’s the question:

Which of these 3 will be the best bet for a commuter stuck in eternal reserve as a DEC? Im aware that it will suck, min days off, etc. Are they all essentially similar QOL and work rules, just different bases and aircraft? Or does one have an edge over the others? Have lots of E170/175 time, if that matters.
by the time you hit the line these rates have likely expired as they were only arranged for 24 months. QOL was supposed to improve at 12 days off but thats not the case as junior mans are very common. OT works differently at PSA than Envoy
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Old 12-14-2022, 04:49 PM
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I would take a hard look at PSA if I were you. Its just over an hour from CMH-DAY, so you could sit at home on reserve.
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Old 12-14-2022, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chato
by the time you hit the line these rates have likely expired as they were only arranged for 24 months. QOL was supposed to improve at 12 days off but thats not the case as junior mans are very common. OT works differently at PSA than Envoy
I thought that the rates were good until 2024? Is that not correct?
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Old 12-15-2022, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SamEagle
I thought that the rates were good until 2024? Is that not correct?
The rates are good until June 2024 and there is an option for them to be extended.

Junior man is very rare at PSA. If you do get junior manned you get 175% pay for min day of 4 hours.. so an extra $1,050 to DH home is not awful at a minimum or if you get done past 2:00 am. The captains are not used much at DAY either, so you’ll be sitting at home a lot or sitting hot reserve and driving in for that. If you can drive to work that’s way better than commuting

Also the commuting policy at PSA is great. Just 2 attempts on any carrier and if you don’t make it in, try again the next day.
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Just 2 attempts on any carrier and if you don’t make it in, try again the next day.
Unless something has changed since I've looked at it, it's along the lines of "keep trying on every flight until you get to base".
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Unless something has changed since I've looked at it, it's along the lines of "keep trying on every flight until you get to base".
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Originally Posted by Slow2Final
Unless something has changed since I've looked at it, it's along the lines of "keep trying on every flight until you get to base".
More like “I’ve missed my first commute, would you like to positive space me next or do you have someone to cover my entire trip…”
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
More like “I’ve missed my first commute, would you like to positive space me next or do you have someone to cover my entire trip…”
Might work out better as a captain. Add an FO, not so much I'd think.
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Originally Posted by saltbae
The rates are good until June 2024 and there is an option for them to be extended.

Junior man is very rare at PSA. If you do get junior manned you get 175% pay for min day of 4 hours.. so an extra $1,050 to DH home is not awful at a minimum or if you get done past 2:00 am. The captains are not used much at DAY either, so you’ll be sitting at home a lot or sitting hot reserve and driving in for that. If you can drive to work that’s way better than commuting

Also the commuting policy at PSA is great. Just 2 attempts on any carrier and if you don’t make it in, try again the next day.
But is DAY a jr base? I was told DCA or PHL for a couple years as DEC.
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