Gulstream Academy/ Continental Express?
10-26-2005, 08:15 AM
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Gulstream Academy/ Continental Express?
What does everyone think about this program? I currently have a little over 300 hours TT and am kind of stuck on what to do. Their program offers you 250+ BE1900D time flying the line as a first officer for Continental Express. This would put me over 600TT and I would have a very good chance at a job through some friends I have, but am wondering what others think about the program since it cost $30,000.
10-26-2005, 08:39 AM
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Cfi
CFI and build your time and level of confidence/professionalism the old fashioned way...Save your money and invest it in an education outside aviation- your 30K will get you a bigger return that way.
A lot of older and wiser pilots are going to tell you the same thing - listen to them and you'll be a better pilot and more importantly a lifelong student / teacher of aviation...
-LA
A lot of older and wiser pilots are going to tell you the same thing - listen to them and you'll be a better pilot and more importantly a lifelong student / teacher of aviation...
-LA
10-26-2005, 09:15 AM
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I think I'll start writing down the names and remembering the faces of the "pilots" at these places were they pay to fly, and the ones that take jobs from professionals at lower salaries. They sure won't be getting anything from me.
10-26-2005, 09:32 AM
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Cap,
I like your idea...It makes me sick to hear people talk about working for free...Have some self-respect and pride in your education / training and demand you be paid for your skills...
This pay for training really bothers me...
-LA
I like your idea...It makes me sick to hear people talk about working for free...Have some self-respect and pride in your education / training and demand you be paid for your skills...
This pay for training really bothers me...
-LA
10-26-2005, 11:16 AM
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Don't Do It!!!
Gulfstream Academy does not give you a job with Continental Express!!! They offer you an interview with Gulfstream Airlines which operates as Continental Connection. When I worked for Gulfstream on the ramp, I heard about many many pilots who paid $30,000 for the training and got no job. You will be flying a Beech 1900 for $14,000 a year; you could make that much money flight instructing and not have to pay $30,000 to do it. Also, if you ever want to interview with a regional or major airline and they find out you paid for training, they'll pretty much show you the door and ask you to leave. I know a guy who had it happen to him at ExpressJet (Continental Express). There's a world of difference between Continental Express Airlines and Continental Connection operated by Gulfstream. I used to work for both companys before I started flying professionally.
You would be wiser to get a job flight instructing for six months to a year and build your time that way. I know ExpressJet hires with 600TT/100 multi, Scenic Airlines 600TT/50multi, King Airelines 500TT/50Multi and there are others.
You would be wiser to get a job flight instructing for six months to a year and build your time that way. I know ExpressJet hires with 600TT/100 multi, Scenic Airlines 600TT/50multi, King Airelines 500TT/50Multi and there are others.
10-26-2005, 11:55 AM
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daytonaflyer-
Thanks for the info. i didn't realize there was a difference from the continental express and continental connection. Is there any other comanies you can list besides the one you gave for low time first jobs? i already knew about the ones you gave me so any more would be great. i already have an account with climbto350.com, but haven't seen anything show up yet. I am interested in this traffic watch idea since i own a fraction of a cherokee.
Thanks for the info. i didn't realize there was a difference from the continental express and continental connection. Is there any other comanies you can list besides the one you gave for low time first jobs? i already knew about the ones you gave me so any more would be great. i already have an account with climbto350.com, but haven't seen anything show up yet. I am interested in this traffic watch idea since i own a fraction of a cherokee.
10-26-2005, 12:09 PM
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Daytona Flyer ... Interesting statement...
"Also, if you ever want to interview with a regional or major airline and they find out you paid for training, they'll pretty much show you the door and ask you to leave. I know a guy who had it happen to him at ExpressJet (Continental Express)."
How soon everyone forgets that in the early nineties PFT was the norm, As far as Express Jet showing him the door because of it...Highly unlikely since they did PFT as well, Maybe an interviewer had a grudge because he or she did PFT or Didn't PFT and could not get hired because of their "Morals" but either way, I don't think we are getting the full truth.
Yes, I help with interviews and whether you PFT or do not PFT, normally has no affect on your interview.
Good Luck to the individual who asked the question,
The business is tough and remember, all pilots are willing to give advice... Some give Good and Some give Bad.
And whether you consider mine good or bad, here goes...
I tell everyone "make a Decesion and don't look back", you'd be amazed at how many guys (and girls) I know who are kicking themselves for decesions they made (or that were made for them). You'll learn, In this business, the only time you are in control, is when you are at the controls, and sometimes, that's not necessarily true either.
PSACPSP
"Also, if you ever want to interview with a regional or major airline and they find out you paid for training, they'll pretty much show you the door and ask you to leave. I know a guy who had it happen to him at ExpressJet (Continental Express)."
How soon everyone forgets that in the early nineties PFT was the norm, As far as Express Jet showing him the door because of it...Highly unlikely since they did PFT as well, Maybe an interviewer had a grudge because he or she did PFT or Didn't PFT and could not get hired because of their "Morals" but either way, I don't think we are getting the full truth.
Yes, I help with interviews and whether you PFT or do not PFT, normally has no affect on your interview.
Good Luck to the individual who asked the question,
The business is tough and remember, all pilots are willing to give advice... Some give Good and Some give Bad.
And whether you consider mine good or bad, here goes...
I tell everyone "make a Decesion and don't look back", you'd be amazed at how many guys (and girls) I know who are kicking themselves for decesions they made (or that were made for them). You'll learn, In this business, the only time you are in control, is when you are at the controls, and sometimes, that's not necessarily true either.
PSACPSP
10-26-2005, 12:54 PM
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PSAChiefPilots -
so are you in favor of pft? I really don't see what is wrong with it if you look at what you are getting. You learn technical concepts since you are dealing with a turbine engine, as well as flying part 121. I agree totaly with you that "all pilots are willing to give advice... Some give Good and Some give Bad." What I don't understand is how someone, myself for examle, would look better given my situation: Either gain another additional 300 hours being a flight instructor, flying the same area day in and day out Vs. gaining those 300 hours at an airline obtaining experience in all different sorts of weather and the learning the scheduled 121 operatons? I am not against the instructor route, but if I can get a better education and experience I don't see why people look down apon it?
so are you in favor of pft? I really don't see what is wrong with it if you look at what you are getting. You learn technical concepts since you are dealing with a turbine engine, as well as flying part 121. I agree totaly with you that "all pilots are willing to give advice... Some give Good and Some give Bad." What I don't understand is how someone, myself for examle, would look better given my situation: Either gain another additional 300 hours being a flight instructor, flying the same area day in and day out Vs. gaining those 300 hours at an airline obtaining experience in all different sorts of weather and the learning the scheduled 121 operatons? I am not against the instructor route, but if I can get a better education and experience I don't see why people look down apon it?
10-26-2005, 02:17 PM
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Gulfstream is the pits of airlines. IF you're at 350 hrs and all you need is 600, or so you think, you're nuts for paying $30K for 250 hrs of multi time and going so far in debt. Theregionals don't care if your multi is piston or turbine, so long as it's multi. And if you do decide to go down that path with Gulfstream, NEVER, NEVER EVER let anyone you fly with know you did it. I've never flown with anyone or had conversations in the crewrooms with anyone who wouldn't frown upon such a career move.
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