Gulstream Academy/ Continental Express?
11-01-2005, 04:48 PM
#41
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From a thread on flightinfo.com. I personally think that it should be required reading for all of those pilots that are willing to sell their soul for the chance to upgrade at 6 months...
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Delta Pilot Puts Uniform Up For Sale at Ebay
http://www.planebusiness.com
Ebay recently pulled a listing that a Delta Air Lines Captain had placed on the auction site. Up for sale? Captain Wendall Lewis's Captain's uniform. After Lewis saw his monthly pension of $6500 slashed by 73%, he decided to make a statement.
And here was his statement:
AUTHENTIC Delta Air Lines Captain Pilot Uniform This uniform was worn by a dedicated Delta Pilot for many years. Now retired and robbed of part, or all, of promised pension, uniform is now offered for sale to supplement income. Suit is worn and empty but filled with memories and honor. Suit has been across many miles and many experiences. Suit was once filled with pride and service getting thousands of passengers to their destination safely. Suit has been through rain, snow, ice, and wind without a single tear or scratch. Suit once controlled multi-million dollar assets, flown throughout the world, with billions of dollars of liability to the company. Suit has never cost company one (1) cent in accident or injury.
Although the suit is worn and has been discarded by the company, it can be yours. Suit is clean but used. Coat may be soiled from hydraulic fluid or grease as plane was inspected. Shirt may be soiled from mad dashes through the airport in a rush to the next plane in an effort to get back on schedule. Tie may have stains from fast food meals that were hurriedly eaten while at the controls.
Tie comes with your choice of pins, Air Line Pilots Association, Air Force, or Airplane. Pants may show signs of wear from may hours spent strapped into a seat, hip shows some signs of wear from firearm used to protect you and your passengers from harm. Shoes are shiny but worn. Suit comes with choice of Old Delta or New Delta emblems. Many prefer the Old Delta.
Suit is thought by many to have APHRODISIAC qualities, although this cannot be confirmed or denied.
BEWARE putting on this suit can have adverse effects on your life. It can cause you to miss your childrens' birth. It can cause you to miss holiday reunions, family times, and weekends. You may miss your Daughter's prom and your Son's graduation. Your family may think Christmas is not always on December 25th. Your wife will have to learn to be a single parent when you are gone for days. The suit can cause you to miss entire nights of sleep or get up at 3 AM to meet your next schedule. Your neighbors may be jealous of you and think you do not deserve to wear the uniform or be compensated for your work.
Originally suit required a four year college degree and an internship of 5-10 years in the military, and another 10-15 years for the fourth stripe. Suit comes with a promise of a pension if you provide years of dedication and service. THE PROMISE MAY BE AS EMPTY AS THE SUIT. Now it can be had for the highest bid. Good Luck bidding.
Bidding started at $1.00. Before Ebay pulled the plug on the auction, Lewis apparently received hundreds of emails from other airline employees.
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Delta Pilot Puts Uniform Up For Sale at Ebay
http://www.planebusiness.com
Ebay recently pulled a listing that a Delta Air Lines Captain had placed on the auction site. Up for sale? Captain Wendall Lewis's Captain's uniform. After Lewis saw his monthly pension of $6500 slashed by 73%, he decided to make a statement.
And here was his statement:
AUTHENTIC Delta Air Lines Captain Pilot Uniform This uniform was worn by a dedicated Delta Pilot for many years. Now retired and robbed of part, or all, of promised pension, uniform is now offered for sale to supplement income. Suit is worn and empty but filled with memories and honor. Suit has been across many miles and many experiences. Suit was once filled with pride and service getting thousands of passengers to their destination safely. Suit has been through rain, snow, ice, and wind without a single tear or scratch. Suit once controlled multi-million dollar assets, flown throughout the world, with billions of dollars of liability to the company. Suit has never cost company one (1) cent in accident or injury.
Although the suit is worn and has been discarded by the company, it can be yours. Suit is clean but used. Coat may be soiled from hydraulic fluid or grease as plane was inspected. Shirt may be soiled from mad dashes through the airport in a rush to the next plane in an effort to get back on schedule. Tie may have stains from fast food meals that were hurriedly eaten while at the controls.
Tie comes with your choice of pins, Air Line Pilots Association, Air Force, or Airplane. Pants may show signs of wear from may hours spent strapped into a seat, hip shows some signs of wear from firearm used to protect you and your passengers from harm. Shoes are shiny but worn. Suit comes with choice of Old Delta or New Delta emblems. Many prefer the Old Delta.
Suit is thought by many to have APHRODISIAC qualities, although this cannot be confirmed or denied.
BEWARE putting on this suit can have adverse effects on your life. It can cause you to miss your childrens' birth. It can cause you to miss holiday reunions, family times, and weekends. You may miss your Daughter's prom and your Son's graduation. Your family may think Christmas is not always on December 25th. Your wife will have to learn to be a single parent when you are gone for days. The suit can cause you to miss entire nights of sleep or get up at 3 AM to meet your next schedule. Your neighbors may be jealous of you and think you do not deserve to wear the uniform or be compensated for your work.
Originally suit required a four year college degree and an internship of 5-10 years in the military, and another 10-15 years for the fourth stripe. Suit comes with a promise of a pension if you provide years of dedication and service. THE PROMISE MAY BE AS EMPTY AS THE SUIT. Now it can be had for the highest bid. Good Luck bidding.
Bidding started at $1.00. Before Ebay pulled the plug on the auction, Lewis apparently received hundreds of emails from other airline employees.
Last edited by FlyerJosh; 11-01-2005 at 04:51 PM.
11-01-2005, 07:19 PM
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I'll just say that if you have the expendable income, it will get you in doors that you normally couldn't. Most of the people that tell you that its horrible and that people tell you that you will not get the job because you paid for training don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about. Research it and make the decision for yourself, but make sure you don't base it on what you heard in the previous replys.
11-01-2005, 07:54 PM
#43
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I say rather than pay for a job, if you have the expendable income, go out, find a few friends, load everybody into a Seminole, Dutchess, Baron, Seneca, etc, and explore the country. The experience (and memories) that you will have from such a trip will benefit you much more than anything you will learn at an "airline academy". But that's just my opinion... and yes, I did enjoy the 13 hours of flying around the country in a beat up Seneca II that I did with a friend.
11-02-2005, 05:23 AM
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Hey, whatever you do.. it's your own choice.
paying $30,000 to work in terrible conditions is not something that I would like to do, never, even to fly an airplane. But that's my opinion.
I spent about 30K from 0 to my MEI certificate. I tried to spend the least money on training. But had an excellent CFI and worked very hard. I did CFI for 1.5 years, while doing some glider tows on weekend and some C414 flights for a corporate company, got hired by a regional, paid off my loan, and I am very happy with all of that.
I don't believe in spending crazy amounts for flight training, but again, that's my opinion.
Good luck, and watch out for the sharks...
paying $30,000 to work in terrible conditions is not something that I would like to do, never, even to fly an airplane. But that's my opinion.
I spent about 30K from 0 to my MEI certificate. I tried to spend the least money on training. But had an excellent CFI and worked very hard. I did CFI for 1.5 years, while doing some glider tows on weekend and some C414 flights for a corporate company, got hired by a regional, paid off my loan, and I am very happy with all of that.
I don't believe in spending crazy amounts for flight training, but again, that's my opinion.
Good luck, and watch out for the sharks...
Last edited by jeroom; 11-02-2005 at 05:45 AM.
11-02-2005, 05:33 AM
#45
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Life isn't fair.
Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
It's nice to hear that if you have enough money in the bank you can buy a job away from another hardworking pilot who has busted his butt for years to be in that seat. That makes me feel all warm inside.
Wake up man, Life is unequal. Some have money, others have influential parents, a few fit a desired demographic profile. We all have to use what we have to get ahead. If you can buy a job or at least take a short cut then you should by all means do it.
No points are given for intentionally taking the hard road.
SkyHigh
Last edited by SkyHigh; 11-02-2005 at 05:50 AM.
11-09-2005, 04:06 PM
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Uneducated comments
As a Captain at GIA I would like to begin my input on this forum by saying:
None of you who have posted on this subject have given an effective or informative post or representation of my airline. Not one of you has any formal experience with Gulfstream. It is too bad that your ignorance towards GIA and GAA will lead you to hate other pilots who have done you no wrong. GAA pilots are not PFTers and should not be treated as such. There is a wide gap between the definition of PFT and what goes on at GIA/GAA. We are also IBT747 represented pilots who have one of the best contracts for QOL in the industry. After our new contract, we will be even better. As a Captain in the top third of the seniority list I see 15-18 days off a month. I can also pull in 60-70K this year if I wanted less time off (As a B1900 Captain!).
No, you are not on your own after GAA. GAA employees will assist you in placement at a regional. You will get hired if you get off your rear and do something about it. Your friend was most likely one of the students who comes through thinking everything should be given to him/her. Those who are like that, or have bad attitudes or are bad sticks do not get hired by GIA or other regionals. Students are monitored by all levels of management, Captains, instructors, and the FAA.
The CFI route was not the "old route". In the past, the legacy carriers hired civilian pilots with as low as 250 hours of aircraft experience. These pilots were generally not instructors or did not have ANY commercial experience. Also, some people should not be teaching. Most pilots do not have a good aptitude to convey aeronautical experience to the fresh meat.
I would rather have a past-GIA pilot next to me in the cockpit than a 600 hour cessna driver new-hire at ASA. At least the GAA pilot has real life experience and excellent training.
As long as unions allow airlines to call 50 seat or larger transport category jets to be called "regional", then we will make nothing.
Thats all I have time for now. If you need real information instead of hearsay, please pm me.
None of you who have posted on this subject have given an effective or informative post or representation of my airline. Not one of you has any formal experience with Gulfstream. It is too bad that your ignorance towards GIA and GAA will lead you to hate other pilots who have done you no wrong. GAA pilots are not PFTers and should not be treated as such. There is a wide gap between the definition of PFT and what goes on at GIA/GAA. We are also IBT747 represented pilots who have one of the best contracts for QOL in the industry. After our new contract, we will be even better. As a Captain in the top third of the seniority list I see 15-18 days off a month. I can also pull in 60-70K this year if I wanted less time off (As a B1900 Captain!).
Originally Posted by loudgarretdriver
To all who are interested. I personally know people who went there. You are paying for 250 hours of SIC 1900 time. Once your time is up. You are on your own. The reason this business is so bad now is because these desperate pilots will do anything to advance their career. Nobody wants to put the time in anymore. Everyone wants to have money hungry flight schools shoot them out of a cannon into the right seat of some airliner
What ever happen to the old CFI route- Where you earned your wings the right way. All who are thinking of pay for training. Stop!! You will be a much more compitent pilot and earn the respect of your peers if you teach a year or two.
I would rather have a past-GIA pilot next to me in the cockpit than a 600 hour cessna driver new-hire at ASA. At least the GAA pilot has real life experience and excellent training.
Could you imagine any other industry where you would pay a company to work there?? You know, walkin into blockbuster video and paying to work there. If this trend continues will are going to looking up to people who flip burgers at fast food places because they make more then us.
Thats all I have time for now. If you need real information instead of hearsay, please pm me.
11-09-2005, 05:30 PM
#47
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I agree with all the people that frown upon Gulfstream. Yippy skippy...so you get to fly a Beech 1900...You will learn WAAAAY more flight instructing than paying to fly a BE1900. You could spend about a 3rd of the money, get your CFI, CFII, and MEI...and get better life experience at that! Plus once you get your dream job at a regional (or whatever you would like to persue), you will feel very confident (if you choose to) as a line check pilot, or an IOE captain. Instructing will be second nature. That is my advice from people before me, and my own personal experience. And Nick, please DO NOT feel like we are attacking you! We are all trying to help you NOT make a dumb move and pay $30,000 that you don't need to spend. Again, you will learn WAY MORE as a CFI the learning how to push buttons in a 1900. Hope this helps bud.
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11-09-2005, 10:42 PM
#48
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Ok If you think instructing is they way to go thats fine but I would put money that a pilot from gulfstream flying beech 1900 does not learn anything. You are flying 121 not part 91 you fly into the big airports such as miami that does require high speed approches a lot of the time. we don't fly the ILS at 70 knots to the GA airports you learn how to deal with dispatch crew schedling also you are flying in all types of weather not just under the hood. SO you may have an advantage in the teach aspect of it but that would be about it. Also the pilots at gulfstream hand fly the aircraft we do not just push buttons as there is no auto pilot. Also if you think you can handle a 441 why not try it and see that you will be behind unless you take some sort of prep course some where
11-10-2005, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Russian
GAA pilots are not PFTers and should not be treated as such. There is a wide gap between the definition of PFT and what goes on at GIA/GAA.
11-10-2005, 06:54 AM
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PFT = Pay For Training. If GIA isn't PFT, then no one is! You pay GIA $30K, and they train you how to fly a B1900. Sounds like PFT to me. PFT is generally frowned upon in the industry now a days. It's generally seen as a way for someone to buy themselves into a job. But, what people want to do with their money is their business.
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