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06-10-2007, 05:28 PM

#21

Killer51883

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where are those greener pastures? Are you talking about a major or some other sort of job higher up the food chain or did they get sick of republic and bail. I have an interview this week and would like to know if i should leave my current 121 job for them.

06-10-2007, 05:52 PM

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flyguy81

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fed ex, ups, southwest, recalled to previous jobs (usair, united, northwest, delta), delta, some to compass to be captains/check airmen, charter, corporate, continental, cargo (world, polar, atlas)...you name who's hiring and people are going there

06-10-2007, 07:27 PM

#23

Airplane Crazy

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Originally Posted by kansas

Upgrade time is fairly low and will likely go down. However, things can change overnight in the regional market. These are what I call "growth upgrades." People are moving up because the company is growing, not because people are leaving. Chasing the growth upgrade, in my opinion, is risky because by the time the 2 years or less are up, the growth may be done, or the company may even be shrinking or bought out!

If you're completely concerned about upgrade first and foremost, I'd chase an "attrition upgrade." When people are leaving a place in droves, that is likely to continue, with only minor slowing if the market takes a dump. Why? No one wants to stay at such airlines. However, such airlines will make you want to chuck the whole career by the wayside on occasion...

Just my own personal opinion and take on it...some stuff to think about, good luck.

I'm not only concerned with upgrade time. I just don't wanna get it somewhere without having an idea about it. I don't wanna join a company and than find out I'll have to be FO for 7-9 years like MESA. 2-3 years sounds perfectly reasonable. All I wanted to find out in this thread is how long is their upgrade. Unfortunately most people were busy lecturing than answering what was asked. While I was trying discuss things back and forth the thread ended up turning into something completley different.

06-10-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Airplane Crazy

I don't wanna join a company and than find out I'll have to be FO for 7-9 years like MESA.

MESA is going to need street captains at the current rate of attrition. They had another 80 some quit last week. Here in lies the problem with hiring a pilot with 250 hours. They can't hold an ATP for a year and a half.

06-10-2007, 08:05 PM

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cbire880

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Just remember that today's upgrade time is simply the seniority of the most junior guy eligible. With reduced attrition and growth, a 2 year upgrade could become 5 or even 10 years over the span of a month. The opposite could happen too. Eagle's upgrade is sitting around 5-7 years, but is expected to drop to 3 years with anticipated increases in attrition. Bottom line, unless you are willing to work for one of the companies that really abuses their crews, don't chase upgrade time.

I also thought Mesa's upgrade was relatively short due to the tsunami like waves of attrition. Its all a gamble. Place your chips smartly so that you don't get disillusioned like SkyHigh if your plan doesn't work out exactly as you thought it would.

06-11-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cbire880

Bottom line, unless you are willing to work for one of the companies that really abuses their crews, don't chase upgrade time.

Very good post.

06-11-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Airplane Crazy

No sir. It's does matter cause if the PIC time is not going to your logbook the PIC you are doing is no good cause that does not count as PIC if it's not logged. When you try to interview for majors that part 121 PIC turbine time is gonna matter.

There are two major problems with your post. The first problem is that you do not understand what Shackone is saying, although it is crystal clear to the rest of us. Shackone has said that Captains should include F/O's in the decision making process and help guide F/O's along as they mature into Captains. Being a Captain is a major responsibility, PIC time comes as a result of this responsibility.

The second problem is you quote Shackone and then start your reply with a stern, "No sir." It is hard to disagree with someone without fully understanding the intent of Shackone's coherent post. Your reply was incoherent and errelevant.

06-11-2007, 07:07 AM

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skillet13

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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED

A year and a half to upgrade seems pretty short to me. If you're looking to upgrade FO's before that, I'd be concerned about your reasoning, captain shortage or not. Don't blame the low time pilots for this shortage, ANY FO shouldn't sit left seat before a year and a half in my opinion.