Help out the SAABster please
05-29-2007, 02:43 PM
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A 14 CFR 121.441 Proficiency check does meet the requirements of part 61.56(d). All 61.56(d) requires a pilot to do is pass "...a pilot proficiency check conducted by...an approved pilot check airman..." within the preceding 24 calendar months. The tasks required for a 121.441 PC are in Appendix F of part 121 and more than meet the requirements of 61.56(a).
-A simulator is not an airplane. Can you do a 91 BFR in a sim?
-An airline sim instructor may be, but does not have to be, a check airman or a CFI. He might just be an ATP. Can ATP's do 91 BFRs? Actually they can't; their authorization to instruct is strictly limited to 121 stuff and does not extend to most 91 CFI duties.
I'll take a look at the regs when I finish this trip, but I have always been under the impression that you still needed a BFR in your logbook.
05-29-2007, 03:01 PM
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Yes. Because 61.56(d) allows a proficiency check and 121.441(c) allows that proficiency check to be in an approved flight simulator.
Only an approved pilot check airman(121.441(b)(2)), not a sim instructor or just an ATP, can give a 121.441 PC. You must be designated by the FAA on your check airman approval letter as either a "Proficiency Check Airman - Simulator" or "Check Airman - All Checks" to conduct a 121.441 PC in an approved flight simulator.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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05-29-2007, 04:07 PM
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I know renewing your CFI will get you out of the required 1 hour of ground FAR 61.56(f), and I know a simulator can be used 61.56(i) if the training is under part 142. It can't be used for the takeoffs and landings unless its approved for that, which level D sims are. Also 61.56(d), I would say your good because you have passed a pilot proficiency check and your instructor is a pilot check airman and it was for a operating privlage. So I would say your good acording to the feds, now as for not flying a small aircraft in who knows how long just be prepared when your find yourself flying the approach at 100kts while still feeling thats to slow.
Oh and read 61.55(e) and SIC ride is a proficency check!
Oh and read 61.55(e) and SIC ride is a proficency check!
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05-29-2007, 05:13 PM
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I cant wait, I am pretty sure Ill forget right rudder, but Ill slowly apply power, I figure BLM has a 7,000ft runway its 75 feet wide if i cant land safely after having 1,000 hrs in the godamn thing than well, maybe I deserve to be humbled................ Im going at 7am so I will have the aiprot to myself, I cant wait, no Pushback clearances, no airways, no FMS if anybodys around on the 18th and you live near an airpiot in Jersey Id be happy to pick you up 
...pending I make it there alive
I have not flown a 172 in two years is it rediculous that I am going up by myself ? I mean I have 1,000 hrs in the thing..........
...pending I make it there aliveI have not flown a 172 in two years is it rediculous that I am going up by myself ? I mean I have 1,000 hrs in the thing..........
05-29-2007, 05:19 PM
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I'm three years out from last GA evolution. I'm going up soon, but I'll get a checkout before turning myself loose...the club requires one anyway. Just try not to flare at 50'...you will feel like your butt is scraping the asphalt in the flare the first time. Tell us how it goes!
05-29-2007, 05:23 PM
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I cant wait, I am pretty sure Ill forget right rudder, but Ill slowly apply power, I figure BLM has a 7,000ft runway its 75 feet wide if i cant land safely after having 1,000 hrs in the godamn thing than well, maybe I deserve to be humbled................ Im going at 7am so I will have the aiprot to myself, I cant wait, no Pushback clearances, no airways, no FMS if anybodys around on the 18th and you live near an airpiot in Jersey Id be happy to pick you up ...pending I make it there alive
I have not flown a 172 in two years is it rediculous that I am going up by myself ? I mean I have 1,000 hrs in the thing..........
...pending I make it there aliveI have not flown a 172 in two years is it rediculous that I am going up by myself ? I mean I have 1,000 hrs in the thing..........
More surprised that a FBO would allow you to take up their aircraft without a another checkout, the way insurance companies are now sometimes if you go a certain amount of time without flying their aircraft you have to get rechecked out. Then again you may not be using a FBO. Don't forget its like riding a bike, except if you fall it will really hurt.
05-29-2007, 05:44 PM
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05-29-2007, 05:53 PM
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Even if you are good to go I would at least go out with a CFI for at least an hour. Do some airwork and then a few bounces in the pattern.
I remember back in my CFI days a J-31 driver wanted to be checked out.......he couldn't land the airplane so I wouldn't sign him off. He had to come back for another round before the flight school would sign him off.
Have fun!!!!!!
I remember back in my CFI days a J-31 driver wanted to be checked out.......he couldn't land the airplane so I wouldn't sign him off. He had to come back for another round before the flight school would sign him off.
Have fun!!!!!!
05-29-2007, 07:01 PM
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I flew with several airline guys in my CFI days as well. Definiately go fly with a CFI, even if its just for the 3 bounces. It would suck to find out you can't land the damn thing after the preventible accident. If you aren't 100% sure you can hack it, go with a CFI.
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