Man, this is getting downright nasty
05-29-2007, 08:19 AM
#1
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Man, this is getting downright nasty
I'm still an undecided voter but this alpa thing is getting crazy
e-mail from alpa:
The Organizing Committee appreciates the majority support by pilots who have sent in cards to be submitted to the National Mediation Board (NMB) to petition for a union representation election on behalf of all Colgan pilots.
If you have not yet sent in a card, please sit down now and consider the facts. Consider your pay, work rules, scope, scheduling policies, insurance cost, 401(k), and lack of protection of your FAA and Medical certificates. It is time to join forces with 60,000 pilots who already belong to the strongest pilot union in the world. We hope that every pilot will support the effort and send in his or her card as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, we have to mention that threatening phone calls and website postings were recently made to members of the Organizing Committee. We stand together with this message¾threats of physical violence by unknown pilots from unlisted phone numbers will not change the commitment of the Organizing Committee to secure professional representation.
We’ve also heard that management is sharing their antiunion philosophy during training, upgrades, and checkrides. If at any time you feel you are being harassed or pressured by any member of management, please contact a member of the Organizing Committee or ALPA (703-689-4179) immediately. The decision to organize is up to the Colgan pilots, not management.
Ask yourself why management is suddenly worried about our right to organize. Is it because their goal is not the same as our goal¾a goal that remains the same¾to protect our professional careers and have our collective voices heard by Colgan and Pinnacle management? In the end, it is up to us to secure and protect our future.
Finally, there is also an allegation that management is putting together a group of pilots (mostly instructors) to handle issues. This is another old management trick: create these “student councils” during organizing campaigns to suddenly show they care and to confuse an unrepresented pilot group. The reality is that these “student councils” cannot legally represent the collective voices of the Colgan pilots or make any agreement that binds management.
It is time for a change at Colgan. It is time for us to have a voice. It is time for us to stand together, for our own sake for our own future.
e-mail from alpa:
The Organizing Committee appreciates the majority support by pilots who have sent in cards to be submitted to the National Mediation Board (NMB) to petition for a union representation election on behalf of all Colgan pilots.
If you have not yet sent in a card, please sit down now and consider the facts. Consider your pay, work rules, scope, scheduling policies, insurance cost, 401(k), and lack of protection of your FAA and Medical certificates. It is time to join forces with 60,000 pilots who already belong to the strongest pilot union in the world. We hope that every pilot will support the effort and send in his or her card as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, we have to mention that threatening phone calls and website postings were recently made to members of the Organizing Committee. We stand together with this message¾threats of physical violence by unknown pilots from unlisted phone numbers will not change the commitment of the Organizing Committee to secure professional representation.
We’ve also heard that management is sharing their antiunion philosophy during training, upgrades, and checkrides. If at any time you feel you are being harassed or pressured by any member of management, please contact a member of the Organizing Committee or ALPA (703-689-4179) immediately. The decision to organize is up to the Colgan pilots, not management.
Ask yourself why management is suddenly worried about our right to organize. Is it because their goal is not the same as our goal¾a goal that remains the same¾to protect our professional careers and have our collective voices heard by Colgan and Pinnacle management? In the end, it is up to us to secure and protect our future.
Finally, there is also an allegation that management is putting together a group of pilots (mostly instructors) to handle issues. This is another old management trick: create these “student councils” during organizing campaigns to suddenly show they care and to confuse an unrepresented pilot group. The reality is that these “student councils” cannot legally represent the collective voices of the Colgan pilots or make any agreement that binds management.
It is time for a change at Colgan. It is time for us to have a voice. It is time for us to stand together, for our own sake for our own future.
05-29-2007, 08:40 AM
#2
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
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I'm still an undecided voter but this alpa thing is getting crazy
e-mail from alpa:
The Organizing Committee appreciates the majority support by pilots who have sent in cards to be submitted to the National Mediation Board (NMB) to petition for a union representation election on behalf of all Colgan pilots.
If you have not yet sent in a card, please sit down now and consider the facts. Consider your pay, work rules, scope, scheduling policies, insurance cost, 401(k), and lack of protection of your FAA and Medical certificates. It is time to join forces with 60,000 pilots who already belong to the strongest pilot union in the world. We hope that every pilot will support the effort and send in his or her card as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, we have to mention that threatening phone calls and website postings were recently made to members of the Organizing Committee. We stand together with this message¾threats of physical violence by unknown pilots from unlisted phone numbers will not change the commitment of the Organizing Committee to secure professional representation.
We’ve also heard that management is sharing their antiunion philosophy during training, upgrades, and checkrides. If at any time you feel you are being harassed or pressured by any member of management, please contact a member of the Organizing Committee or ALPA (703-689-4179) immediately. The decision to organize is up to the Colgan pilots, not management.
Ask yourself why management is suddenly worried about our right to organize. Is it because their goal is not the same as our goal¾a goal that remains the same¾to protect our professional careers and have our collective voices heard by Colgan and Pinnacle management? In the end, it is up to us to secure and protect our future.
Finally, there is also an allegation that management is putting together a group of pilots (mostly instructors) to handle issues. This is another old management trick: create these “student councils” during organizing campaigns to suddenly show they care and to confuse an unrepresented pilot group. The reality is that these “student councils” cannot legally represent the collective voices of the Colgan pilots or make any agreement that binds management.
It is time for a change at Colgan. It is time for us to have a voice. It is time for us to stand together, for our own sake for our own future.
e-mail from alpa:
The Organizing Committee appreciates the majority support by pilots who have sent in cards to be submitted to the National Mediation Board (NMB) to petition for a union representation election on behalf of all Colgan pilots.
If you have not yet sent in a card, please sit down now and consider the facts. Consider your pay, work rules, scope, scheduling policies, insurance cost, 401(k), and lack of protection of your FAA and Medical certificates. It is time to join forces with 60,000 pilots who already belong to the strongest pilot union in the world. We hope that every pilot will support the effort and send in his or her card as soon as possible.
Unfortunately, we have to mention that threatening phone calls and website postings were recently made to members of the Organizing Committee. We stand together with this message¾threats of physical violence by unknown pilots from unlisted phone numbers will not change the commitment of the Organizing Committee to secure professional representation.
We’ve also heard that management is sharing their antiunion philosophy during training, upgrades, and checkrides. If at any time you feel you are being harassed or pressured by any member of management, please contact a member of the Organizing Committee or ALPA (703-689-4179) immediately. The decision to organize is up to the Colgan pilots, not management.
Ask yourself why management is suddenly worried about our right to organize. Is it because their goal is not the same as our goal¾a goal that remains the same¾to protect our professional careers and have our collective voices heard by Colgan and Pinnacle management? In the end, it is up to us to secure and protect our future.
Finally, there is also an allegation that management is putting together a group of pilots (mostly instructors) to handle issues. This is another old management trick: create these “student councils” during organizing campaigns to suddenly show they care and to confuse an unrepresented pilot group. The reality is that these “student councils” cannot legally represent the collective voices of the Colgan pilots or make any agreement that binds management.
It is time for a change at Colgan. It is time for us to have a voice. It is time for us to stand together, for our own sake for our own future.
05-29-2007, 08:51 AM
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It's interesting, i was originally against the ALPA thing but changed my mind after learning more about it. I've seen both sides and something I notice is the people who are resorting to threats of violence and slander are willing to do this but not willing to say who they are. These OC guys really want to make this place better, they spend their spare time working for us, and are willing to put their names out in the open. Shows me the ALPA group has integrity while certain others are immature kids.
Good point, if fellow co-workers are working hard to help out the group, the least we can do is not threaten them. If one person is for or against a union, that is their choice and no one else's, but we have to show a little class about the whole situation.
05-30-2007, 06:56 AM
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Just remember- a Union is only as good as its MEMBERS. Union. United. UNITY.
The strength of character (or lack thereof) at the local MEC level often determines how successful and united a local council is. If you do choose to unionize (which certainly has upsides and downsides IMHO), make sure that you also take the time to learn the facts about the union- how it works, what role it plays, and what it can do for you.
Most importantly, step up! There are plenty of things that you can do to help- some big, some small. Not everybody needs to carry the weight of the union on their shoulders. In reality only a very small percentage of the pilot group needs to do really heavy lifting (MEC officers/status reps). But for a strong, organized and collective union, everybody needs to help out in one way or another.
The strength of character (or lack thereof) at the local MEC level often determines how successful and united a local council is. If you do choose to unionize (which certainly has upsides and downsides IMHO), make sure that you also take the time to learn the facts about the union- how it works, what role it plays, and what it can do for you.
Most importantly, step up! There are plenty of things that you can do to help- some big, some small. Not everybody needs to carry the weight of the union on their shoulders. In reality only a very small percentage of the pilot group needs to do really heavy lifting (MEC officers/status reps). But for a strong, organized and collective union, everybody needs to help out in one way or another.
05-30-2007, 08:34 AM
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New boss = Old boss
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I'm pro ALPA and contribute $50/mo to the ALPA pac, but I would never again want to be part of a newly organized ALPA pilot group. It sucks trying to negotiate your first contract. Management is FAR better equipped to deal with a newly formed union than the union guys are in dealing with management.
As I usually advise regional pilots...Any time you spend working on ALPA related things is time you should have spent working on resumes and applications. You need to get out of there, not try to make it better.
As I usually advise regional pilots...Any time you spend working on ALPA related things is time you should have spent working on resumes and applications. You need to get out of there, not try to make it better.
05-30-2007, 09:46 AM
#9
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05-30-2007, 12:25 PM
#10
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And you know best with your whole 5 minutes of 121 experience you have under your belt. Are you even out of training yet?
ALPA is trying to assure there is fair representation for the Colgan folks...if they don't want it, well, let's just say that the Pinnacle management has no reservations about them.....
I can already hear the stapler sounds......................
ALPA is trying to assure there is fair representation for the Colgan folks...if they don't want it, well, let's just say that the Pinnacle management has no reservations about them.....
I can already hear the stapler sounds......................
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