New regional mins?
05-06-2020, 06:51 PM
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05-07-2020, 06:24 AM
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It will be whatever the market will bear. What kind of quals will be on the street?
Furloughed regional pilots will have 2500-4000+, 1000+ 121 turbine ME, and a type.
But they won't be the only pilots furloughed, if they wanted to they could set the bar at 8K TT, 2000 TPIC, and three type ratings. And still have way more applicants than they need.
Furloughed regional pilots will have 2500-4000+, 1000+ 121 turbine ME, and a type.
But they won't be the only pilots furloughed, if they wanted to they could set the bar at 8K TT, 2000 TPIC, and three type ratings. And still have way more applicants than they need.
05-07-2020, 07:50 PM
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It’s going to be more than 2000-3000 furloughs at the big 3.
also it’s not going to be competing for regional jobs against furloughed pilots- at least at united, UAL pilots are given any class dates (once they are even having new hire classes) at express carriers without interview. Until we are back in our seats at mainline, there are no seats to be filled.that said, many guys and girls have no interest in going back to the regionals to sit right seat in an rj pulling gear for a 23 year old so maybe there will be some slots.
Regardless of where you are in your aviation journey, this is going to seriously disrupt your life plans.
also it’s not going to be competing for regional jobs against furloughed pilots- at least at united, UAL pilots are given any class dates (once they are even having new hire classes) at express carriers without interview. Until we are back in our seats at mainline, there are no seats to be filled.that said, many guys and girls have no interest in going back to the regionals to sit right seat in an rj pulling gear for a 23 year old so maybe there will be some slots.
Regardless of where you are in your aviation journey, this is going to seriously disrupt your life plans.
Retirements should help lessen the shock, but if every major dumps 2000-3000 in furloughs, you'll be competing against them for jobs until they can get recalled. Even if traffic returns to 2019 levels by 2022, it may take that long for anyone to start hiring. Age 65 retirements peak by 2025, but what the industry looks like by then is anyone's guess. Half the flying? Three regionals? Two majors?
In the meantime, with the numbers being graduated into the end of the pipeline, I don't think the stated minimums will change appreciably... What will change, however, is the "if you can fog a mirror and have the right paperwork, we'll put you in class and let training wring you out" method of hiring that has been the MO for the last few years at the regionals. You're going to have to bring it, and be capable of being a lot more than a lump sitting in the right seat for a few hundred hours until you grow into it. That makes the training expense to get to ATP mins much more of a gamble, especially when the promise of a very quick progression to a major and a $200K second-year paycheck just evaporated.
In the meantime, with the numbers being graduated into the end of the pipeline, I don't think the stated minimums will change appreciably... What will change, however, is the "if you can fog a mirror and have the right paperwork, we'll put you in class and let training wring you out" method of hiring that has been the MO for the last few years at the regionals. You're going to have to bring it, and be capable of being a lot more than a lump sitting in the right seat for a few hundred hours until you grow into it. That makes the training expense to get to ATP mins much more of a gamble, especially when the promise of a very quick progression to a major and a $200K second-year paycheck just evaporated.
05-08-2020, 06:36 AM
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Commute to a junior base in the east? No thanks, BTDT.
The whole point of being a regional FO is to acquire seniority to upgrade since TPIC has historically been the best path to the majors (and history is going to repeat itself). No point in dealing with low pay and lifestyle hassles if you already have a legacy number.
Even with a bad economy many or most of us should be able to find local work that pays at least as much as regionals, and still be home every night.
05-08-2020, 07:24 AM
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05-08-2020, 08:07 AM
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This is true. I might do it IF (and that's a big if) I could get into a base close enough to drive to work. Right away, not in nine months.
Commute to a junior base in the east? No thanks, BTDT.
The whole point of being a regional FO is to acquire seniority to upgrade since TPIC has historically been the best path to the majors (and history is going to repeat itself). No point in dealing with low pay and lifestyle hassles if you already have a legacy number.
Even with a bad economy many or most of us should be able to find local work that pays at least as much as regionals, and still be home every night.
Commute to a junior base in the east? No thanks, BTDT.
The whole point of being a regional FO is to acquire seniority to upgrade since TPIC has historically been the best path to the majors (and history is going to repeat itself). No point in dealing with low pay and lifestyle hassles if you already have a legacy number.
Even with a bad economy many or most of us should be able to find local work that pays at least as much as regionals, and still be home every night.
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