New regional mins?
05-08-2020, 08:21 AM
#91
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Historically some regionals have done better than the majors (and a few have done worse, and a few have liquidated).
05-08-2020, 08:26 AM
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I think that that is being overly optimistic...... I wouldn't just call this a " bad economy ".
unless you already have some history in a skill or trade.
05-08-2020, 03:08 PM
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100% depends on AA, and I have no way of knowing. Some of their guys think they won't furlough, others think they're going to furlough 100% of the pilot group. Need to see how the economy and travel bookings shape up over the summer to even guess.
Worst case, a vastly smaller AA will still need regional feed, but it might not need the capacity and overhead of multiple WO's.
Majors are fairly predictable in a downturn (unless it comes to liquidation). Furlough X% for 2-6 years, gut contracts in BK, and in ten years you can almost forget it never happened.
Regionals' fates can run the gamut, all depends on partners, business model, and contracts (and luck/timing with contract expiration). Some regionals can make out and actually grow, others will go away (some already have, maybe they've already met the quota).
Worst case, a vastly smaller AA will still need regional feed, but it might not need the capacity and overhead of multiple WO's.
Majors are fairly predictable in a downturn (unless it comes to liquidation). Furlough X% for 2-6 years, gut contracts in BK, and in ten years you can almost forget it never happened.
Regionals' fates can run the gamut, all depends on partners, business model, and contracts (and luck/timing with contract expiration). Some regionals can make out and actually grow, others will go away (some already have, maybe they've already met the quota).
05-08-2020, 05:53 PM
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100% depends on AA, and I have no way of knowing. Some of their guys think they won't furlough, others think they're going to furlough 100% of the pilot group. Need to see how the economy and travel bookings shape up over the summer to even guess.
Worst case, a vastly smaller AA will still need regional feed, but it might not need the capacity and overhead of multiple WO's.
Majors are fairly predictable in a downturn (unless it comes to liquidation). Furlough X% for 2-6 years, gut contracts in BK, and in ten years you can almost forget it never happened.
Regionals' fates can run the gamut, all depends on partners, business model, and contracts (and luck/timing with contract expiration). Some regionals can make out and actually grow, others will go away (some already have, maybe they've already met the quota).
Worst case, a vastly smaller AA will still need regional feed, but it might not need the capacity and overhead of multiple WO's.
Majors are fairly predictable in a downturn (unless it comes to liquidation). Furlough X% for 2-6 years, gut contracts in BK, and in ten years you can almost forget it never happened.
Regionals' fates can run the gamut, all depends on partners, business model, and contracts (and luck/timing with contract expiration). Some regionals can make out and actually grow, others will go away (some already have, maybe they've already met the quota).
05-09-2020, 05:25 AM
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I just got out of ATP flight school 😭 got all the certs, worked my ass off the entire year to make sure not to fail a checkride, ended up with a 80k student loan at 9% interest ! Im a flight attendant for American Airlines I guess till end of September and I’m literally just time building , so paying out of pocket to at least get to 500 hours, went to 10 different flight school and no one even called me back for a cfi interview, Thanks for thinking of ppl like me
im so afraid I’ll go broke
im so afraid I’ll go broke
05-09-2020, 08:14 AM
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XJT has another dynamic to consider... their pilot group has a long history of being a thorn in the side of whoever owns them. On one hand, as a pilot you have to give them kudos for sticking up for themselves. On the other hand, they may have already self-selected as the next COMAIR... the regional game tends to pick off the leaders of the pack (or those who want to be).
05-11-2020, 07:01 AM
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So the combined ASA/XJT under SkyWest..... Can you blame them for being a thorn in the side of SkyWest?
What about ASA under SkyWest before the XJT merger? ASA under Delta? XJT before the merger?
05-11-2020, 08:20 AM
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Quite the broad brush, and I'm not saying it's wrong, and perception does drive reality to some extent, but I'm curious about how long of a history you are thinking of here.
So the combined ASA/XJT under SkyWest..... Can you blame them for being a thorn in the side of SkyWest?
What about ASA under SkyWest before the XJT merger? ASA under Delta? XJT before the merger?
So the combined ASA/XJT under SkyWest..... Can you blame them for being a thorn in the side of SkyWest?
What about ASA under SkyWest before the XJT merger? ASA under Delta? XJT before the merger?
I was commenting on the baked-in futility of striving in the regional business. COMAIR is the case study.
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