Mesaba new hires
11-17-2009, 06:19 PM
#6462
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 737
Posts: 590
A fleet of 440 aircraft????? I would think that the largest airline in the world would stress more than 440 aircraft...or did you just post an article from about 8 years ago.
11-17-2009, 06:22 PM
#6463
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: 320
Posts: 431
I just went to delta.com and clicked on careers, and that popped up. So take it for what its worth I guess..
11-17-2009, 06:33 PM
#6464
looking for underboob
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: NYC 7ER LCA
Posts: 902
Your post shows how little you know about the airline business. I have sat next to Delta management types and he told me that Delta is concerned about the acquisition cost and operating cost of E175 which is considerably higher than CRJ900s. I do not expect to see any expansion of E175 fleet size at Compass. Delta is run by beancounters, and only numbers count, not what pilots think about E175s. I expect see Mesaba CRJ200s and Saabs numbers eventually replaced by CRJ7s and CRJ9s.
Only Mesaba pilots even considering going over to Compass are those at the bottom about to be furloughed. And I do not blame them for that. They have to do what they have to do. However, there is no way I would give up my seniority at Mesaba to start at the bottom at Compass. I turned down Compass over 2 years ago when they started hiring in 2007 for the same reasons stated very clearly by Bored.
Mesaba has better work rules which translates into more money even if the rate is lower by few cents. One only needs to compare work rules at Compass next to Mesaba. It starts at the beginning during the training. Mesaba pays monthly guarantee plus per diem for those based out of MSP, and pays for hotel single occupancy room for the entire duration of the training both for ground and for sim training. Ask Compass pilots how Compass handles lodging and pay during training. The list goes on to things like if you get bypassed for upgrade at Mesaba and the junior guy gets finished with IOE, or 90 days up, you automatically get the CA pay on the equipment you got bypassed. Does Compass have such a rule? The list goes on and on.
You need to go over to Compass because Mesaba does not need pilots like with a bad attitude like yours the minute things turn stagnant. Seriously, we have no desire to talk you out of leaving Mesaba. Go in peace and leave Mesaba.
Good luck with your flying career.
Only Mesaba pilots even considering going over to Compass are those at the bottom about to be furloughed. And I do not blame them for that. They have to do what they have to do. However, there is no way I would give up my seniority at Mesaba to start at the bottom at Compass. I turned down Compass over 2 years ago when they started hiring in 2007 for the same reasons stated very clearly by Bored.
Mesaba has better work rules which translates into more money even if the rate is lower by few cents. One only needs to compare work rules at Compass next to Mesaba. It starts at the beginning during the training. Mesaba pays monthly guarantee plus per diem for those based out of MSP, and pays for hotel single occupancy room for the entire duration of the training both for ground and for sim training. Ask Compass pilots how Compass handles lodging and pay during training. The list goes on to things like if you get bypassed for upgrade at Mesaba and the junior guy gets finished with IOE, or 90 days up, you automatically get the CA pay on the equipment you got bypassed. Does Compass have such a rule? The list goes on and on.
You need to go over to Compass because Mesaba does not need pilots like with a bad attitude like yours the minute things turn stagnant. Seriously, we have no desire to talk you out of leaving Mesaba. Go in peace and leave Mesaba.
Good luck with your flying career.
Dont knock on the guy for his choice. Mesaba might be better to you in your eyes but never forget every regional sucks
11-17-2009, 11:23 PM
#6465
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 787
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
11-18-2009, 02:27 AM
#6466
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: FDX B757 FO
Posts: 116
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Related question: Back in the good 'ole days of NWA and flowing pilots up, I was told that they wouldn't consider applications from any pilot from Mesaba or Compass whose senority number was below the current flowthrough line. The argument was that it circumvented senority. I never quite understood the argument because those applicants below the flow line would basically be treated as if they were off the street, and the guys with the senority to flow would have first dibbs at the available classes anyway. As I understand it, they have to flow a certain number from Compass (first), Mesaba (second), and then hire whatever they need from the street to fill each class. So...
#1. Is that correct or just another product of the rumor mill?
#2. Is this policy written somewhere? Is this coming from the companies involved or ALPA?
#3. If it is/was true, will it apply at Delta also, since the flowthrough agreement was carried over?
This might be something we just won't know for sure until Delta actually starts hiring and flowing again. Any guesses?
**This is simply a question. I'm under no illusion of getting on with Delta, even if they were hiring, so don't look at my 900 FO position and launch into some flame about a sense of entitlement, SJS, or whatever the rant of the day seems to be. Sorry, but at least on these forums I feel like I always need a disclaimer to ask an honest question. I'm just curious in the post-merger world if Delta is even a possibility for anyone at XJ or CP outside of the flow.
Last edited by gbntpilot; 11-18-2009 at 03:19 AM.
11-18-2009, 05:28 AM
#6467
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: My name is Roger Murdock, I'm the copilot!
Posts: 65
Take more than 5 seconds to read it before you post rumors...this is also on there:
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
Where? Took about 5 minutes, read it three times, still can't locate that statement...
11-18-2009, 06:09 AM
#6468
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: 320
Posts: 431
Take more than 5 seconds to read it before you post rumors...this is also on there:
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
11-18-2009, 06:24 AM
#6469
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Take more than 5 seconds to read it before you post rumors...this is also on there:
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
"Even though we are not actively hiring pilots and will not be reviewing applications until hiring resumes, individuals interested in joining our team of professional pilots may apply or update their existing applications via AirlineApps.com."
Point being that up until a week ago one couldn't even submit an app, & now anyone can. True some updates are needed, but the website has been tweeked several times since last week giving the impression that all
of this is intentional.
11-18-2009, 06:42 AM
#6470
:-)
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
I seriously doubt it's true. Probably a leftover webpage some poor college intern in I.T. didn't update.
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Related question: Back in the good 'ole days of NWA and flowing pilots up, I was told that they wouldn't consider applications from any pilot from Mesaba or Compass whose senority number was below the current flowthrough line. The argument was that it circumvented senority. I never quite understood the argument because those applicants below the flow line would basically be treated as if they were off the street, and the guys with the senority to flow would have first dibbs at the available classes anyway. As I understand it, they have to flow a certain number from Compass (first), Mesaba (second), and then hire whatever they need from the street to fill each class. So...
#1. Is that correct or just another product of the rumor mill?
#2. Is this policy written somewhere? Is this coming from the companies involved or ALPA?
#3. If it is/was true, will it apply at Delta also, since the flowthrough agreement was carried over?
This might be something we just won't know for sure until Delta actually starts hiring and flowing again. Any guesses?
**This is simply a question. I'm under no illusion of getting on with Delta, even if they were hiring, so don't look at my 900 FO position and launch into some flame about a sense of entitlement, SJS, or whatever the rant of the day seems to be. Sorry, but at least on these forums I feel like I always need a disclaimer to ask an honest question. I'm just curious in the post-merger world if Delta is even a possibility for anyone at XJ or CP outside of the flow.
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Related question: Back in the good 'ole days of NWA and flowing pilots up, I was told that they wouldn't consider applications from any pilot from Mesaba or Compass whose senority number was below the current flowthrough line. The argument was that it circumvented senority. I never quite understood the argument because those applicants below the flow line would basically be treated as if they were off the street, and the guys with the senority to flow would have first dibbs at the available classes anyway. As I understand it, they have to flow a certain number from Compass (first), Mesaba (second), and then hire whatever they need from the street to fill each class. So...
#1. Is that correct or just another product of the rumor mill?
#2. Is this policy written somewhere? Is this coming from the companies involved or ALPA?
#3. If it is/was true, will it apply at Delta also, since the flowthrough agreement was carried over?
This might be something we just won't know for sure until Delta actually starts hiring and flowing again. Any guesses?
**This is simply a question. I'm under no illusion of getting on with Delta, even if they were hiring, so don't look at my 900 FO position and launch into some flame about a sense of entitlement, SJS, or whatever the rant of the day seems to be. Sorry, but at least on these forums I feel like I always need a disclaimer to ask an honest question. I'm just curious in the post-merger world if Delta is even a possibility for anyone at XJ or CP outside of the flow.
Edit: Or you can quit mesaba, go work somewhere else then apply. This is the best option in my opinion.....
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