Mesaba new hires
11-27-2008, 03:56 AM
#4921
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 176
Going back to seat-locks...I really don't understand who is bound by them and what the conditions are for releasing them, other than the avoidance of hiring street captains. The presentation at the beginning of my interview process was great but really didn't fully elaborate on the company policies. Are first officers also bound by the seat-locks, or is it just the captains? Are there any hard and consistent provisions for releasing them?
This is really directed to the current lineholders and more experienced airmen on this thread. That being said, I am putting this out there so that the new hires and less experienced guys and gals can really understand. These questions are also thrown out there without any real preference of airframe...like so many of the rest of you, I'm just thrilled to fly.
Thanks in advance...and Happy Thanksgiving.
This is really directed to the current lineholders and more experienced airmen on this thread. That being said, I am putting this out there so that the new hires and less experienced guys and gals can really understand. These questions are also thrown out there without any real preference of airframe...like so many of the rest of you, I'm just thrilled to fly.
Thanks in advance...and Happy Thanksgiving.
FO's locked from switching to another FO seat for 3 years.
However if you can upgrade to Captain in that time, you can.
Subject to companies whim to release the 3 year lock. I think the Seat lock clock just continues and is not reset. If you switch FO seats after the three years...I am not sure what the lock is. But I think you give up the chance to upgrade for a while, 1 year I think.
Captains are locked for 2 years from switching seats in upgrade (SAAB to 200). Subject to companies whim cause they have released some 200 seatlocks to fill 900 spots. If after those 2 years and a Captain bids a lower paying Captain spot (900 to SAAB), the Captain is locked. 1 year I think.
There is no lock for differences training for Captains (200 to 900) (not sure for FO's). The company has not released 200 FO locks. With the last vacancy the company released 6 or 7 200 Captain locks for 900 spots.
Another lock that is in effect is for the Flow through. After you meet the requirements for flow (Captain, x-number of years of service,...), you are locked in the your current position for two years after you upgrade.
So lets say you were a SAAB Captain before the date of the Flow LOA, you could flow when your date comes. If after that date an FO or existing Captain upgrades (SAAB to 200 or 900) there is a 2 year lock out from flow.
Now the lock doesn't exclude you from bidding for the flow. You bid for it. If you are awarded it, your class date will be listed for a class 2 years after your FED ride. If there is no class the bid will say something like "eligible after 11/09"
I think I got most of it correct. Others will correct this I am sure but this will get you started.
11-27-2008, 06:27 AM
#4922
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 493
Just something to add regarding seat locks - the 3 year seatlock expires after those 36 months and at that point if you've not been afforded the opportunity to upgrade you can then switch FO seats. If you choose to do that, I believe you're now re-seatlocked for TWO years and that includes upgrading. Everything else is correct AFAIK.
Resigning seniority - that can't happen until you accept the position and start class. They're taking it seriously and they expect you to do the same if you're interested in the job at XJ.
Resigning seniority - that can't happen until you accept the position and start class. They're taking it seriously and they expect you to do the same if you're interested in the job at XJ.
11-27-2008, 06:30 AM
#4923
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
Posts: 3,097
That guy is a toolbox, i got a SF340 type and a 900 type...but he must work at northwest however, since we dont have "the 9" at Mesaba
. No the 900 FO's do not get a PIC type, they do however get the wear sunglasses inside the airport, and a rather stylish "Factory Trained" sticker for their flight case
. No the 900 FO's do not get a PIC type, they do however get the wear sunglasses inside the airport, and a rather stylish "Factory Trained" sticker for their flight case
11-27-2008, 07:05 AM
#4924
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 176
I didn't get a factory trained sticker and I went to Montreal
11-27-2008, 09:34 AM
#4925
Banned
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 145
That being said, for those of you being asked to switch, remember that we're pretty much staffed for the 200, so unless theres some sort of change with that fleet type, and you are hired onto the 200 now the only movement is going to be from people above you upgrading, were on the 900 and Saab there is still substantial hiring going on. Not trying to say any airframe is better than another, I just want people to be informed before they make these decisions.
11-27-2008, 10:04 AM
#4926
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: 320B
Posts: 248
Hallelujah... another 200 New hire class is music to my ears. Getting off reserve might be within reach after all.
That being said, for those of you being asked to switch, remember that we're pretty much staffed for the 200, so unless theres some sort of change with that fleet type, and you are hired onto the 200 now the only movement is going to be from people above you upgrading, were on the 900 and Saab there is still substantial hiring going on. Not trying to say any airframe is better than another, I just want people to be informed before they make these decisions.
That being said, for those of you being asked to switch, remember that we're pretty much staffed for the 200, so unless theres some sort of change with that fleet type, and you are hired onto the 200 now the only movement is going to be from people above you upgrading, were on the 900 and Saab there is still substantial hiring going on. Not trying to say any airframe is better than another, I just want people to be informed before they make these decisions.
11-27-2008, 10:59 AM
#4927
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 39
Hallelujah... another 200 New hire class is music to my ears. Getting off reserve might be within reach after all.
That being said, for those of you being asked to switch, remember that we're pretty much staffed for the 200, so unless theres some sort of change with that fleet type, and you are hired onto the 200 now the only movement is going to be from people above you upgrading, were on the 900 and Saab there is still substantial hiring going on. Not trying to say any airframe is better than another, I just want people to be informed before they make these decisions.
That being said, for those of you being asked to switch, remember that we're pretty much staffed for the 200, so unless theres some sort of change with that fleet type, and you are hired onto the 200 now the only movement is going to be from people above you upgrading, were on the 900 and Saab there is still substantial hiring going on. Not trying to say any airframe is better than another, I just want people to be informed before they make these decisions.
11-27-2008, 11:01 AM
#4928
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: FO
Posts: 105
Someone has to be the captains on the 900s....they are saab captains
Someone has to replace the saab captains.....mostly saab FOs
Some has to replace the saab FOs......new hires
Ta Da
11-27-2008, 11:27 AM
#4930
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: 320B
Posts: 248
I understood all that but I have to follow that up with why is this not the same case with the 200's? Why is there little to no movement there and its all from the Saab?
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