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Good luck getting the lady to answer. She called me and left a message. I tried for a couple weeks trying to get back in contact with her. I eventaully just went into the office to talk to her.
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[quote=tflyer70;349499]Take your time...HAVE FUN...be respectful of all the work groups (FA's, ground support, gate agents, etc...)
I finished IOE yesterday. IMHO the order of difficulty for an FO IOE is:
#1. Situational awareness at DTW/dealing with the taxi instructions. The rapid fire instructions seem to not quite match up to what you expect, and it's very unnerving. A great LCA -- like Joe McCauley is -- understands and is ready to take up the slack. Between the first and second segments of my IOE, I learned the DTW taxi diagram from memory and most of the frequencies. I cannot recommend enough that you spend some of your pre-IOE free time to do the same for your base -- but you'll still struggle.
#2. Visual approaches. Sim tng is all about flying instrument approaches to mininums, but my IOE included only ONE ILS, and a whole bunch of visual approaches. Sadly, there is very, very little you can do to get ready to perform good visual approaches. I can only recommend absorbing every word your LCA tells you about how to configure, asking every possible question that occurs to you, and trying to mimic the way he flies an approach in every detail.
The last thing I can say is, RELAX. I am not a natural relaxer, instead constantly working on not making the same mistake twice. Understand and accept the fact that you will make the same mistakes over and over again, and don't let it get to you. If you thought training was drinking from a firehose, then IOE is drinking from two firehoses at the same time -- while flying an airplane.
One last caution, never, ever leave the plane without carrying your cellphone, and have your LCA's cell number stored.
I finished IOE yesterday. IMHO the order of difficulty for an FO IOE is:
#1. Situational awareness at DTW/dealing with the taxi instructions. The rapid fire instructions seem to not quite match up to what you expect, and it's very unnerving. A great LCA -- like Joe McCauley is -- understands and is ready to take up the slack. Between the first and second segments of my IOE, I learned the DTW taxi diagram from memory and most of the frequencies. I cannot recommend enough that you spend some of your pre-IOE free time to do the same for your base -- but you'll still struggle.
#2. Visual approaches. Sim tng is all about flying instrument approaches to mininums, but my IOE included only ONE ILS, and a whole bunch of visual approaches. Sadly, there is very, very little you can do to get ready to perform good visual approaches. I can only recommend absorbing every word your LCA tells you about how to configure, asking every possible question that occurs to you, and trying to mimic the way he flies an approach in every detail.
The last thing I can say is, RELAX. I am not a natural relaxer, instead constantly working on not making the same mistake twice. Understand and accept the fact that you will make the same mistakes over and over again, and don't let it get to you. If you thought training was drinking from a firehose, then IOE is drinking from two firehoses at the same time -- while flying an airplane.
One last caution, never, ever leave the plane without carrying your cellphone, and have your LCA's cell number stored.
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#2. Visual approaches. Sim tng is all about flying instrument approaches to mininums, but my IOE included only ONE ILS, and a whole bunch of visual approaches. Sadly, there is very, very little you can do to get ready to perform good visual approaches. I can only recommend absorbing every word your LCA tells you about how to configure, asking every possible question that occurs to you, and trying to mimic the way he flies an approach in every detail.
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The Saab, more so than any of our others, is just like going to the FBO and renting a twin. The training department will have you walking out the door thinking you are about to go fly the space shuttle. Remember, the sim is the sim...real life is real life. You have an airplane that will fly a downwind, base and final just like a Baron. 5 miles out, be at pattern altitude. 160 KIAS on the downwind, go to flaps 15. Abeam, drop the gear and push up the props. Base, 20 flaps and slow to ref +10 (just point that airspeed at what you bugged for Vcl. FLY IT LIKE A BARON. I hear about and hear about how "tough" visual approaches are. Just relax, grab her by the horns and fly her in just like you did at Riddle, or UND or Mankato or wherever. DON'T be shy with the POWER LEVERS! If you get slow and you need 40%, then USE IT to get back on speed. If you are on final at REF +30, then pull them to FLIGHT IDLE. She will not fall out of the sky. When she slows down to REF+10, push em back up to 20-25% and you are there.
I know it sounds easier than it is the first few times, but really, I am serious, get away from the space shuttle mentality of the sim and get back in your trusty old twin and just fly. You might surprise yourself.
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Hardest thing: #1. Adjusting and knowing each captain's quirks and qualms!
#2. Hearing Roger Boley's crew brief (he's since retired so you new hires dont have to worry)
#3. Keeping your cool when Stu M. wont shut up.
#4. Trying not to think of impure thoughts when talking with Anita Q.
--she's the nicest and most friendliest FA you will meet!
#5. Matching Joe McC's east coast accent word for word--he's hilarious!
#6. Staying awake on a CHO-DTW CDO
#7. Trying to match slice for slice of Ziti pizza in HPN when eating with Matt L.
#8. Trying to match beer for beer with Ron Curtis
I'll let others now chime in with this.....................................
#2. Hearing Roger Boley's crew brief (he's since retired so you new hires dont have to worry)
#3. Keeping your cool when Stu M. wont shut up.
#4. Trying not to think of impure thoughts when talking with Anita Q.
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#5. Matching Joe McC's east coast accent word for word--he's hilarious!
#6. Staying awake on a CHO-DTW CDO
#7. Trying to match slice for slice of Ziti pizza in HPN when eating with Matt L.
#8. Trying to match beer for beer with Ron Curtis
I'll let others now chime in with this.....................................
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