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Old 01-05-2008, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by evh347
For any -200 guys out there, feel free to PM me for a really awesome ORAL guide. One of my FO colleagues copied the entire thing from the end of the Bombardier CBT Systems training and it was a HUGE help when it came to preparing for the ORAL.

Do you think you could PM me with a few tips, hints anything to help on my way to sims in Denver this week evh347? Anything you could send my way would be greatly appreciated. My oral is in a couple weeks and im trying to get everything i can to study up on but havent talked to anyone that has taken the oral to know what to expect. Thanks 200MSPCRJ
As I wrote earlier...PM me your email addresses and I'll send what I can. Get together with your Captain on a daily basis and get those flows/callouts down cold. You'd be surprised how much goes out the window once you're sitting in the SIM. For the -200 ORAL...there is no way around this...READ the gray Bombardier Systems Manual and know it well. And in the POM...know all 17 of the memory items (most of them are the same) in Chapter 7 cold. Walk your way through each button/switch on the overhead panel and be able to explain what happens when each is activated. Be able to identify and describe what happens on a respective EICAS synoptic page. Remember that "switches are rumors" and "synoptic pages are truth". Be prepared for scenario-based questions structured around the Electrical, Hydraulic, and Fuel synoptic pages. For example, you should be able to describe what all is lost if you lose your IDG 2?....what is the AC Essential TXFR switchlight for and when would it illuminate?, what does turning the Battery Master switch "on" activate?...how many CPAM's do we have?, where is it located?, what does the CPAM do?, and what all is lost if the CPAM fails?...etc...LOL....ah, memories...

Rumor on the ORAL was that if you know your limitations and that walk-around presentation...then the rest was cake. Most instructors use the ORAL as a "teaching session", but don't let that prevent you from trying to score points by knowing the other stuff as well. BTW...the walk-around presentation is not the same as the CAE walk-around books that you might see laying around the training center. You want to review the "Mesaba CRJ Preflight" presentation (it's on a computer in one of the debriefing rooms in the CAE building 2nd floor). I can't send that via email because it's over 100MB.

My only complaint was that CAE is staffed with all sorts of instructors and only a few of them seemed to know Mesaba policies really well. I complained about the fact that we rarely had the same instructor, but having different instructors allowed us to picked up some great techniques along the way. If you get Shane or Colin...you will know you've been taught by greatness.
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Old 01-05-2008, 09:27 AM
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For you guys in the 14th class on the 900, have they told you what hotel you are staying at?
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:27 AM
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i start class the begining of feb. and my first class medical expires the end of feb. do i need to get a new one before leaving or will i be fine with a second class during training? thanks.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by yacko
i start class the begining of feb. and my first class medical expires the end of feb. do i need to get a new one before leaving or will i be fine with a second class during training? thanks.
Not 100% sure but I'd play it safe and get a new one before you go.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yacko
Before I was hired by Mesaba, I talked to ATP about doing their CRJ Transition Course. I was told by them that initial airline training had a 25% fail rate. Is there any truth to that? It seems a little extreme to me.
Don't believe them. Mesaba's failure rate is more like 2.5%. BTW, I attended the ATP course, passed the sim ride, and was not called by any of the companies with which ATP says they have a "guaranteed" interview letter of agreement. BUYER BEWARE. Ref Mesaba, if you pay attention in class and put in 3 to 5 hours of studying each night you will have no trouble.
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by xjsf340fo
Don't believe them. Mesaba's failure rate is more like 2.5%. BTW, I attended the ATP course, passed the sim ride, and was not called by any of the companies with which ATP says they have a "guaranteed" interview letter of agreement. BUYER BEWARE. Ref Mesaba, if you pay attention in class and put in 3 to 5 hours of studying each night you will have no trouble.
i did my multi and instrument with ATP, I was not real impressed by some of the instructors that I had. just liked logging the multi time. glad I did not pay for the CRJ course.
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:36 PM
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Can't PM you mate. Can you try post it here or to my email: [email protected]

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[quote=evh347;293327]
Originally Posted by 200MSPCRJ

As I wrote earlier...PM me your email addresses and I'll send what I can. Get together with your Captain on a daily basis and get those flows/callouts down cold. You'd be surprised how much goes out the window once you're sitting in the SIM. For the -200 ORAL...there is no way around this...READ the gray Bombardier Systems Manual and know it well. And in the POM...know all 17 of the memory items (most of them are the same) in Chapter 7 cold. Walk your way through each button/switch on the overhead panel and be able to explain what happens when each is activated. Be able to identify and describe what happens on a respective EICAS synoptic page. Remember that "switches are rumors" and "synoptic pages are truth". Be prepared for scenario-based questions structured around the Electrical, Hydraulic, and Fuel synoptic pages. For example, you should be able to describe what all is lost if you lose your IDG 2?....what is the AC Essential TXFR switchlight for and when would it illuminate?, what does turning the Battery Master switch "on" activate?...how many CPAM's do we have?, where is it located?, what does the CPAM do?, and what all is lost if the CPAM fails?...etc...LOL....ah, memories...

Rumor on the ORAL was that if you know your limitations and that walk-around presentation...then the rest was cake. Most instructors use the ORAL as a "teaching session", but don't let that prevent you from trying to score points by knowing the other stuff as well. BTW...the walk-around presentation is not the same as the CAE walk-around books that you might see laying around the training center. You want to review the "Mesaba CRJ Preflight" presentation (it's on a computer in one of the debriefing rooms in the CAE building 2nd floor). I can't send that via email because it's over 100MB.

My only complaint was that CAE is staffed with all sorts of instructors and only a few of them seemed to know Mesaba policies really well. I complained about the fact that we rarely had the same instructor, but having different instructors allowed us to picked up some great techniques along the way. If you get Shane or Colin...you will know you've been taught by greatness.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:16 PM
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In the FOM is says PIC needs to have 1st class privileges and SIC needs to have 2nd class privileges... so it looks like you will be fine with 2nd class medical
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudPilot57
In the FOM is says PIC needs to have 1st class privileges and SIC needs to have 2nd class privileges... so it looks like you will be fine with 2nd class medical
thanks cloud. i will check with HR though to be on the safe side.
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Old 01-05-2008, 03:46 PM
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Could you pm me your email address. We are up in Montreal right now, and would like your guide. I just joined this website to PM you but I don't have enough posts to do it.
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