Mesa Air Group stumbles to loss
05-11-2007, 12:34 PM
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and what about the people who came to mesa when it wasnt "all that bad." you know mesa used to be an average place to work before they really just went to he!!. im more concerned for the guys who were on board when it was an ok place to be.
and no no no its not going to do anything to make the industry better when mesa goes away
gojet and freedom? you cant even compare thats very different scenarios compared to what were talking about here. lets not confuse the issue
and no no no its not going to do anything to make the industry better when mesa goes away
gojet and freedom? you cant even compare thats very different scenarios compared to what were talking about here. lets not confuse the issue
I feel for the people who have been there a while. It was never great, but it used to be good enough if you lived near one of their domiciles. I have to admit that I have no sympathy for some of the junior punks and street clowns that went over there lately knowing full well what they were getting into. A little unpaid time off from aviation might help improve their judgement.
I think a mesa liquidation or sell-off will make the industry better. Mesa is the poster-child for walmart-ization of the regional business. If their formula fails, others would certainly take notice.
05-11-2007, 12:50 PM
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this "my regional is better than yours" attitude is ridiculous. why does it happen? all regionals suck, just hope that you dont end up on the street one day
dont get me wrong, you should still want to be hired at a more stable regional, but dont act like its the best thing since sliced bread
dont get me wrong, you should still want to be hired at a more stable regional, but dont act like its the best thing since sliced bread
Okay, Each to their own.
05-11-2007, 12:55 PM
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Yes but while we are here at the REGIONAL level we should try and preserve whatever self-respect we have. Though I don't want to stay at the regional level, while I am here I would like to have my QOL either preserved, or raised. If every regional raises the bar, this level of the industry might not be such a bad place to be while your waiting for that dream airline to call
05-11-2007, 03:13 PM
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i will support any regional willing to fight for good QOL or pay increases. i think every pilot deserves it regardless of your experience. i think regionals without a union are just as bad as the people who refuse to say no to these kind of companies. The pilot pool is drying up... there is a shortage and if we as a pilot group, not as 20 or so small company pilot groups, say look this is what you need to keep us flying... i think there should be an industry wide ALPA or whoever contract. 50 seat RJ pay is a min of this, # days off min on reserve, If you cant meet these requirements alpa will descourage pilot applicants from going to your airline. i have never been a huge alpa fan and it seems the alpa guys at my company and a couple others have been out for themselves for awhile but they need to start getting riled up. This Prater "take it back" or whatever needs some action behind it and i aint seeing it yet. the next couple years are going to be interesting and i have a feeling we are about to seem some serious battles between regionals and their pilot groups.
05-11-2007, 05:06 PM
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So your arguement then is that I should be supportive of pilots that are willing to undercut the industry as well as knowingly work for less money and worse work rules because they didn't want to be a CFI and suck it up past the 600hr mark?
Now that's a broad general statement. It doesn't apply to them all. I know some take it for domicile reasons, family, ect., but there are many out there that take it because of a 250hr bridge program and a nice shot of SJS that never gave a damn about what their actions were doing for the industry as a whole. I don't feel sorry for those kind and I know that place is full of them. People are scared to work a little for what they want. You'll see those kinds of guys running for places like gojets.
Now that's a broad general statement. It doesn't apply to them all. I know some take it for domicile reasons, family, ect., but there are many out there that take it because of a 250hr bridge program and a nice shot of SJS that never gave a damn about what their actions were doing for the industry as a whole. I don't feel sorry for those kind and I know that place is full of them. People are scared to work a little for what they want. You'll see those kinds of guys running for places like gojets.
05-11-2007, 05:09 PM
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You want a job at the "Majors" secure yout job at the regional and treat it like a career. Why shouldn't flying 90 passenger be treated like a career? oh yeah, 1000 pic and your going to move on
05-11-2007, 07:32 PM
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05-11-2007, 08:03 PM
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Ghilis - If Mesa would disappear tomorrow, not saying that it will, there would me a large sigh of relief coming from many people. You do not realize what a poorly run airline can do all involved in the industry. The pay is crap. The management blows and allow aircraft to fall below standard and consistantly have mx problems.
Look at it this way - when a flight gets cancelled, what happens down the line? There is a long list of problems, but I will address one, the Jumpseat. There are crew memebers that look for rides to work. If a flight gets cancelled, then there is a good chance that jumpseaters will get left behind somewhere in the system.
Mesa guys/gals are great people, but the management is destroying the market. Look at the Go! operation Good folks over there are suffering cause of the low standard that Mesa as provided is not diluting the system.
Over and out, for now.
Look at it this way - when a flight gets cancelled, what happens down the line? There is a long list of problems, but I will address one, the Jumpseat. There are crew memebers that look for rides to work. If a flight gets cancelled, then there is a good chance that jumpseaters will get left behind somewhere in the system.
Mesa guys/gals are great people, but the management is destroying the market. Look at the Go! operation Good folks over there are suffering cause of the low standard that Mesa as provided is not diluting the system.
Over and out, for now.
05-11-2007, 10:02 PM
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.1) The coverup of "go!" and its failure to make $$$$,
2) the continual postponing of maintenance forces MESA to CXL flights (they lose actual $ AND lose performance $$ for a double whammy,
3) Pilots not getting paid for cancelled trips get fed up and leave to other airlines,
4) MESA pays signing bonuses to acquire pilots
5) Agree to a 10 million share buyback. Could buy 1 share OR 2 OR 3 OR 1000. It's a smoke and mirrors play on behalf of JO. We all know it.
6) Going overseas for business because MESA cannot find anyone else to pay them to do the job they were hired to do here in the USA. i.e They burned all their bridges.
What does them leaving do . . . decreases supply of contract regionals, with LESS supply, companies can charge more.
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