Best Regional NYC Envoy, Endeavor or Republic
12-17-2019, 06:35 PM
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The 80% for OTS includes second interviews and your DGI number doesn't. Numbers aren't nearly so disparate if you include second chances. Add in that OTS must as a matter of course have much more competitive resumes to even get the interview and trying to make it like you're comparing apples to apples is laughable.
Baradium, I know you like Delta's Kool aid. That's fine, have another glass. Don't come on here with a sales pitch trying to get new guys in the door with your propaganda. I'm giving hard facts as published by our company.
12-18-2019, 10:09 AM
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Once we factor in second interviews, the success rates jump from 48% to 52%. Wow! Such disparity! You make my point for me by reinforcing out the fact that OTS guys are more competitive and "better" candidates in the eye of Delta. I guess you're right, OTS vs DGI isn't exactly apples to apples. It's nice shiny perfect apples compared to bruised and partially rotten apples that have to be put in the bag too. Just because they're in the bag doesn't mean Delta has to eat them. If someone wants to come here, fine. Just don't do it under the delusion that the DGI is a good path to Delta.
Baradium, I know you like Delta's Kool aid. That's fine, have another glass. Don't come on here with a sales pitch trying to get new guys in the door with your propaganda. I'm giving hard facts as published by our company.
Baradium, I know you like Delta's Kool aid. That's fine, have another glass. Don't come on here with a sales pitch trying to get new guys in the door with your propaganda. I'm giving hard facts as published by our company.
And yes, you still put words in my mouth. My entire point is that the OTS candidates have had to run through a massive gauntlet already to get the interview, when you compare DGI rates to those who can't even get an interview they look much better. Do I think they should be higher? Yes. But it's still better than trying to get in OTS.
12-25-2019, 05:14 PM
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Not sure about culture, but pilots seem to be happy at Republic. Route and overnights are probably a little more diverse at Republic because you are flying for all three code-shares and staying at many different cities based on who you are flying for that trip.
As far as non-reving, Envoy has nice priority on AA. But having non-rev benefits for the big three does leave you a whole lot of options when trying to get somewhere, even if you are low on all three.
As far as non-reving, Envoy has nice priority on AA. But having non-rev benefits for the big three does leave you a whole lot of options when trying to get somewhere, even if you are low on all three.
12-25-2019, 06:12 PM
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Not sure about culture, but pilots seem to be happy at Republic. Route and overnights are probably a little more diverse at Republic because you are flying for all three code-shares and staying at many different cities based on who you are flying for that trip.
As far as non-reving, Envoy has nice priority on AA. But having non-rev benefits for the big three does leave you a whole lot of options when trying to get somewhere, even if you are low on all three.
As far as non-reving, Envoy has nice priority on AA. But having non-rev benefits for the big three does leave you a whole lot of options when trying to get somewhere, even if you are low on all three.
02-15-2020, 04:58 AM
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1. The culture is better than what it appears here, however it still has some work to go with management. The company has improved leaps and bounds over the years and the crews you fly with are almost always solid.
2. Routes and overnights are base dependent. On the 175, I would say DFW has far and away the best overnights and trip schedules. ORD is pretty much the same crappy overnights every trip. Envoy also gets the scraps when it comes to flying, as our none wholly owned brethren get first choice on the AA flights packet. Whats left is what we get. Lots of long sits.
3. Envoy non-rev is second to none in my opinion. Sure, AA like to oversell flights which can be a ***** and certain commutes like DFW-ORD can be horrendous, but generally it works pretty well. If you factor in international travel it gets even better.
As for LGA, I know we are starting to turns out of there on the 175 from ORD, so who knows what is going to happen. We have something like 20 more planes coming this year with very little guidance on where they will officially end up, so the rumor mill is churning at full speed. If you want to based in NYC, that won't be a problem at Envoy, just expect the 145.
02-15-2020, 01:48 PM
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I'd avoid endeavor. We are seriously understaffed and it's only going to get worse with our mainline overlords not valuing our contributions. Go envoy. Have a guaranteed job at mainline without ever having to interview again. Keep your apps updated at the mainline carriers you are interested in while you're there. You never know who will call.
02-15-2020, 02:45 PM
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I can only speak for Envoy.
1. The culture is better than what it appears here, however it still has some work to go with management. The company has improved leaps and bounds over the years and the crews you fly with are almost always solid.
2. Routes and overnights are base dependent. On the 175, I would say DFW has far and away the best overnights and trip schedules. ORD is pretty much the same crappy overnights every trip. Envoy also gets the scraps when it comes to flying, as our none wholly owned brethren get first choice on the AA flights packet. Whats left is what we get. Lots of long sits.
3. Envoy non-rev is second to none in my opinion. Sure, AA like to oversell flights which can be a ***** and certain commutes like DFW-ORD can be horrendous, but generally it works pretty well. If you factor in international travel it gets even better.
As for LGA, I know we are starting to turns out of there on the 175 from ORD, so who knows what is going to happen. We have something like 20 more planes coming this year with very little guidance on where they will officially end up, so the rumor mill is churning at full speed. If you want to based in NYC, that won't be a problem at Envoy, just expect the 145.
1. The culture is better than what it appears here, however it still has some work to go with management. The company has improved leaps and bounds over the years and the crews you fly with are almost always solid.
2. Routes and overnights are base dependent. On the 175, I would say DFW has far and away the best overnights and trip schedules. ORD is pretty much the same crappy overnights every trip. Envoy also gets the scraps when it comes to flying, as our none wholly owned brethren get first choice on the AA flights packet. Whats left is what we get. Lots of long sits.
3. Envoy non-rev is second to none in my opinion. Sure, AA like to oversell flights which can be a ***** and certain commutes like DFW-ORD can be horrendous, but generally it works pretty well. If you factor in international travel it gets even better.
As for LGA, I know we are starting to turns out of there on the 175 from ORD, so who knows what is going to happen. We have something like 20 more planes coming this year with very little guidance on where they will officially end up, so the rumor mill is churning at full speed. If you want to based in NYC, that won't be a problem at Envoy, just expect the 145.
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