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LoneStar32 11-26-2019 01:58 PM

I guess the guarantee of actually getting an interview. Whereas if you are on the outside you may never get the call.

DoSomePilotStuf 11-26-2019 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by GoJuice (Post 2930354)
Can someone explain to me what exactly the benefit of Aviate is to someone who might be looking at a regional with it? Seems to me, you have just as good a chance at United coming from a regional without it.

The benefit is you get a chance, albeit a small one, to go to United years sooner than coming from another regional. Maybe. Essentially those in Aviate can go straight from eighth seat to right seat with 2000 hrs SIC. You probably need 1500-2000 hrs PIC to be competitive OTS. Those who have gotten the yes fresh out of their first type rating can tell you the advantages.

afterburn81 11-26-2019 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by LoneStar32 (Post 2930361)
I guess the guarantee of actually getting an interview. Whereas if you are on the outside you may never get the call.


I don’t think it’s even a guarantee. According to the program, candidates are “selected” for an interview based on.....well I’m not sure.

I know of many that applied and never got an interview.

itsmytime 11-26-2019 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 2930419)
I don’t think it’s even a guarantee. According to the program, candidates are “selected” for an interview based on.....well I’m not sure.

I know of many that applied and never got an interview.

Truth. No difference from applying off the street. Your app may get selected, it may not.

PeakEGT 11-26-2019 05:08 PM

I think the most difficult part is the “Hogan.” I felt I contradicted myself on several answers.

jetlag q 11-26-2019 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot (Post 2930331)
Of course you did. Because you don't even know the rules of Aviate.

You're United material because they'll walk all over you because you don't know or won't care about your contract.

If you get a TBNT letter, YOU ARE OUT of Aviate.

AFAIK you can try off the street and I haven't heard of a time restriction on that but how likely do you think that is?

You got interviewed and didn't get hired. Everyone who didn't get a chance now goes ahead of you.

You work at a UAX carrier. Why would they cannibalize MORE of their own feed?

If you get turned down at Aviate, your best bet is to plan on another path until all of the Aviate hires go ahead of you or United comes up with another carrot.

Let's call the new program: "Flip!"

Heads or tails? You're HIRED!

After rereading the documents sent to me it states if your “tbnt” then reapply in 12 months.

apachetype 11-26-2019 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by jetlag q (Post 2930464)
After rereading the documents sent to me it states if your “tbnt” then reapply in 12 months.

I received an Aviate Program Guide from United. The document is dated 1 Nov 2019 and it states:
“Candidates who are unsuccessful in the Aviate application process are encouraged to apply to United via the traditional application process. Additional information about this process can be found at the United pilot career website (https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/career/pilot.html).”

In Section 6 (Application Process) it says:
“Candidates who apply for the University Path, the Commercial Flight Training Path, or the Experience Path and are unsuccessful will have one additional opportunity to apply to Aviate. Such Candidates must wait for 12 calendar months and have accumulated 500 additional flight hours in order to be eligible to apply a second time and may only apply through the Experience Path or UAX Path. If the Candidate is unsuccessful in his or her second application, he or she will no longer be eligible for Aviate. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Candidates are still eligible to apply for employment with United as a pilot via the traditional path irrespective of any prior application or status with Aviate.
B. The UAX Path Candidates applying for the UAX Path may only apply to Aviate once. Candidates who have applied two or more times to a previous United Career Path Program (CPP) and/or through the traditional path will not be eligible to apply to Aviate (e.g., applying once to a previous CPP and once through the traditional path will be considered applying two times).”

2minuteman 11-26-2019 09:52 PM

Can I apply to Aviate twice at the United Express entry point?

▪ Because there are so many qualified applicants for the United Express entry point, you are only eligible to apply to Aviate once while employed at any UAX partner. If you are unsuccessful, we encourage you to apply to United via the traditional path.




In other words, no.

John Carr 11-26-2019 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 2930419)
I don’t think it’s even a guarantee. According to the program, candidates are “selected” for an interview based on.....well I’m not sure.

I know of many that applied and never got an interview.


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2930427)
Truth. No difference from applying off the street. Your app may get selected, it may not.

Where the CPP was a chance, at a chance, at a chance for the guys already on property that had slugged it out through the dark decade. AVIATE is a chance at a chance for the newer guys just starting out.

apachetype 11-27-2019 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 2930419)
I don’t think it’s even a guarantee. According to the program, candidates are “selected” for an interview based on.....well I’m not sure.

I know of many that applied and never got an interview.


I’d be curious to know if they completed both the Airline App (and appropriately set the target to Aviate) and the application at

https://ual-pro.taleo.net/careersection/10260/jobdetail.ftl?lang=en&job=DEN00003779

On one of the conference calls the United rep said the intention is to interview all who apply.


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