Airlines requiring part 117 extensions
07-28-2019, 05:13 AM
#62
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I'll reference the only 2 places that I'm familiar with the policies. Envoy, you are required to accept the extension. The only alternative is to call fatigue. At AA, it's completely up to you to accept or deny the extension, no questions asked. No requirement to call fatigue in the case of not accepting an extension.
07-28-2019, 05:21 AM
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Are you aware of the exact reasons why a weather forecaster does or does not include what is in a TAF ? How many TAFs have you written ?
No need to answer I can already tell based on your reply that the answers are No, No and 0. You'll probably try to invent some ridiculous reasoning to defend your position including some kind of rant about how WX forecasters are paid to be wrong when really you and most other pilots and dispatch have no idea how and why a WX forecaster says what they say.
That's ok though. That is why I signed up for this part time gig, to better bridge that gap. You'd think however that since most pilots are fairly smart people they would be smart enough to **** when they don't know WTF they are talking about... but we all know how that goes
07-28-2019, 06:23 AM
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07-28-2019, 06:33 AM
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Are you saying TAFs are the only decision making tool available to dispatch and pilots ?
Are you aware of the exact reasons why a weather forecaster does or does not include what is in a TAF ? How many TAFs have you written ?
No need to answer I can already tell based on your reply that the answers are No, No and 0. You'll probably try to invent some ridiculous reasoning to defend your position including some kind of rant about how WX forecasters are paid to be wrong when really you and most other pilots and dispatch have no idea how and why a WX forecaster says what they say.
That's ok though. That is why I signed up for this part time gig, to better bridge that gap. You'd think however that since most pilots are fairly smart people they would be smart enough to **** when they don't know WTF they are talking about... but we all know how that goes
Are you aware of the exact reasons why a weather forecaster does or does not include what is in a TAF ? How many TAFs have you written ?
No need to answer I can already tell based on your reply that the answers are No, No and 0. You'll probably try to invent some ridiculous reasoning to defend your position including some kind of rant about how WX forecasters are paid to be wrong when really you and most other pilots and dispatch have no idea how and why a WX forecaster says what they say.
That's ok though. That is why I signed up for this part time gig, to better bridge that gap. You'd think however that since most pilots are fairly smart people they would be smart enough to **** when they don't know WTF they are talking about... but we all know how that goes
Had to check to make sure this wasn’t Flightinfo...
Seriously, lighten up Francis. You’re giving blue-suiters a bad rep.
I was replying to your assertion that the forecasts and other weather products are infallible and operators should be able to plan for everything. Based on over 30 year of flying, I can tell you that is not the case.
07-28-2019, 05:57 PM
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Had to check to make sure this wasn’t Flightinfo...
Seriously, lighten up Francis. You’re giving blue-suiters a bad rep.
I was replying to your assertion that the forecasts and other weather products are infallible and operators should be able to plan for everything. Based on over 30 year of flying, I can tell you that is not the case.
Seriously, lighten up Francis. You’re giving blue-suiters a bad rep.
I was replying to your assertion that the forecasts and other weather products are infallible and operators should be able to plan for everything. Based on over 30 year of flying, I can tell you that is not the case.
First of all, if your flight takes off and arrives in the same hour then the METAR is controlling not the TAF, but you knew that with your 30 years of experience...
Secondly, METAR and TAF is only for determining if its legal to take off.
Third, confirming the accuracy of a TAF by comparing it to the METAR is part of your due diligence. If you knew half as much as you try to project with your 30 years of flying then you would know a TAF is a generalized statement of what is expected to happen within a 5sm radius. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to surmise that if there are CB in the TAF then there are probably CB in the surrounding area and therefore TS enroute which would... wait for it... I know it a real hard concept to envelop with your mind... cause possible delays or reroutes that you would PLAN for ahead of time ! HOLY CRAP what a concept !!!
I could go on but a blind guy could see how badly you embarrassed yourself.
07-28-2019, 06:02 PM
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We were talking about anticipating delays and 117 extensions - not whether it was legal to depart or not. To answer your question directly if you are leaving and arriving within the same hour then the METAR is controlling (this is the Regional sub forum...).
To further the anticipating delays discussion - we have synoptic discussions, Satellite, IR, Radar, Constant Pressure charts, SFC plots, Skew-T, etc, etc.
07-28-2019, 06:14 PM
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Your base level is showing.
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