Airlines requiring part 117 extensions
07-24-2019, 09:20 AM
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At Envoy, yes, you must fatigue to avoid extension which involves filing a fatigue report. Depending on what is said in the report, you may or may not get paid. I have not had to fatigue but apparently they are looking for documentation on details to prove why you are fatigued (noisy hotel... what time did you call to complain at the front desk/did you file a complaint with the company for the noise, etc).
ALSO, I have heard that depending on what is in your fatigue report and what you say on the recorded line when you call in fatigue, your fatigue call may be turned into a sick call or even a missed assignment. Again, not from personal experience. I hope those are just crew room stories with a "there's more to the story" caveat, but I don't know.
ALSO, I have heard that depending on what is in your fatigue report and what you say on the recorded line when you call in fatigue, your fatigue call may be turned into a sick call or even a missed assignment. Again, not from personal experience. I hope those are just crew room stories with a "there's more to the story" caveat, but I don't know.
07-24-2019, 09:24 AM
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This is incorrect. The FAA told Delta that their policy was not acceptable and at Delta you now must accept a extension. They also said the 2 hour flight extension should be used infrequently and only under unusual circumstances.
07-24-2019, 09:26 AM
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Maybe I’m incorrect, but I thought Extension of the FDP under FAR 117 required the consent of the pilot.....unlimited extensions of 30 minutes or less, and no more extensions until the pilot receives a 30hr break if an extension is more than 30 minutes. I’ll have to reread the regulation...perhaps I’m mistaken
07-24-2019, 09:35 AM
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07-24-2019, 10:49 AM
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The whole point is that the extension can be used for “unforeseen OPERATIONAL circumstances” if need be, such as delays, re-position, etc. If one chooses not to accept this and the company makes you call fatigue, that’s completely acceptable because there is no other valid excuse. Why are you fatigued? Because I’m exceeding my normal duty time and I’m exhausted...clear cut. If the company takes punitive action (lost pay, discipline, etc.) this is 100 percent completely UNacceptable because now they’re making the pilot choose between accepting punitive damages OR operating an aircraft under a fatigued mindset. 117 was created as a proactive measure, NOT a reactionary measure.
07-24-2019, 10:50 AM
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07-24-2019, 11:21 AM
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