bornc7d

The way I see it is this, what new employee helps out any business. You have to pay to train them, make them fit into your own company rules, production from the employee stinks at first but it gets better; and you know what the employees that were already there dont like the new employee because he starts to do their job for less, so what does that employee do they have to work harder and up the chain. Pilots are the same way, you cant blame LTP for coming into the business, this is their shot at their dream, and no they are not same quality as seasoned airline pilots, but no new hire is, not even instructors who struggle just as much through initial training. But you want to know what LTP are doing for the industry - We're learning how it works. So that when we become captians and union voters we make the right decisions to better our situation. Lets face it a 23 year old FO today is going to have so much knowledge about the industry in 5 - 10- 20 years we will have figure out how to make management give us what we want. So your right we NOT helping the industry right NOW but like all new employees we are an investment for the future, so instead of knocking a young LTP down for screwing the industry, tell him how he can go about changing it, because I am sure he, like I will, will work in the coming years to make being an airline pilot the dream they originally had. Flight instruction continues in the airlines, except most of us have the flying part down already.

kdoner

sounds like somebody has a case of the mondays

sigep_nm

Oh snap, guess forgot to mention that I got a double major in econ, so let me educate you. From the outside supply-demand law is correct. More demand plus less supply equals higher prices right? Wrong. Price relies solely on who is actually setting the price. Lets take for example the US oil situation. Supply = about the same as usual give or take a few million barrels. Demand = the same give or take a few million barrels. Controller of the price = OPEC (gasp, not George Bush, no not George Bush). Now lets take airline industry. Supply = lots of pilots, Demand = Lots of pilots, Controller of price = shocker here, not LTP's, but MANAGEMENT and COURTS. Ask a Mesaba who train wrecked our contract. Wasnt LTP's, check the history, 1000 TT 100 ME FIRM as a porn star. So what is really the problem? Everyone thinks that everytime a new aircraft comes on line we have management by the short hairs, but guess what? Management has a buddy, and his name the COURTS. Yes we have a union, but guess what? we cant F====ng strike, which means we have absolutely NOTHING. So there is you problem in english you can understand.
Next point"
The Law of diminishing returns:
To produce another product the cost actually increases beyond the benefit of producing that future product, case in point, UAL. Expansion exceeded what would be profitable, causing the cost to do that 'extra flight' to exceed the revenue that it would produce. I am sure you are puzzled at this point so I will dumb it down. Airplane (they cost money to lease or buy, take you pick) + crew + fuel + maintenance (love to believe those guys work for free but they dont) + training + insurance + lawyers (they are always swimming around) exceed passenger load. Who makes all these decisions? MANAGEMENT. Who supports all these decisions? COURTS!!!!!
Next time dont read into a frat name and think we are stupid, just bring the facts my friend, you have been officially SNAPPED BACK

TXTECHKA

Statistically frat guys tend to occupy the higher level jobs in politics, business and the corporate world. I was an econ major as well.

STILL GROUNDED

Good! Lets keep them out of the cockpit, they are BORING and usually fly like they f*&k, poorly with no finesse! Get em a job in the white house, hasn't failed us yet, NOT!

Here it comes, wait for it.........wait.....for.....it.....

Rightseat Ballast

Hey WindowSeat, I have a question or you...

If you were a low time pilot looking for a way to make money while flying, and had career asperations of becoming an airline pilot, and understood that seniority is paramount in your desired career field, would YOU:

A) Take up a job flight instructing for $15-19 an hour, with a maximum pay of about $25 an hour, flying a light single and hoping in a year or two a regional carrier hires you to the bottom of their seniority list at that time

or

B) Take a regional airline job that pays $15-22 an hour, with a potential pay rate of around $75 an hour after 8-10 years at the same company, and get on the seniority list NOW and start your career NOW, and fly the aircraft you have dreamed about.

Don't underestimate the power of a dream and a goal, and don't criticize someone who is smart enough to know that a seniority number is the path to progress in this industry.

Had I been offered the same choice when I was a newly minted commercial pilot, there is no doubt in my mind I would have leapt at the opportunity to fly for a regional. In hindsight, would I have been as good a stick or as good a decision maker. No, not by far. But, I would be that much richer, that much more senior, and that much closer to a major goal.

t-cart

I am just a newby here but would be considered a high time pilot. Dont want to wear out the welcome but :rightseatballast" last paragraph pretty much sums up the whole argument. I actually want someone flying the plane that is a good stick and has good decision making skills. Again, I am a high time pilot but relatively a newb. as far as pt.121 goes but i also know that being a good stick and having good decision making skills carry over into any other type of flying that you will ever do. Again, not trying to stir it up, JMHO! T.C.

SkyHigh

Do you own a Taylorcraft?

Skyhigh

t-cart

I had one back in the late seventies. I'm OLD skyhigh. T.C.

TXTECHKA

How many have you flown with? That is quite an ignorant statement. I've only known a few that fly and the ones I have flown with have been exceptional. Also in my experience most of these people are extroverted, interesting individuals and they are a pleasure to be around.