A question for all the low timers out there...
05-04-2007, 07:01 AM
#111
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Maybe things have changed in Hawai'i but when I lived there, the Hawaiians were very loyal to people and businesses they like: and most of them want Go! to hit the road, take their haole management clowns back to PHX and burn in heII. I'm sure there are people who will fly Go! but not enough to keep them afloat. The majority of Hawaiians will support Aloha and HAL. Go! wont last through the year. I really hope that either Mesa kicks the bucket or JO is replaced. That airline is really starting to make a lot of people red in the face. (did those last two sentences just rhyme?) LOL
05-04-2007, 08:57 AM
#113
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Sure ignorant people like blastboy can bring up UAL advertising for pilots in the paper and that stuff 20 years ago but doesn't make for a good point. The point is, Pinnacle, Mesa, ad TSA are not going to have any minimums soon to attract applicants while decent regionals are still holding to 1000/100. They are some of the highest paid regionals too. Maybe ALPA shouldn't sign off on contracts that put an FO into poverty.
05-04-2007, 09:31 AM
#114
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Well, you might as well put me into your grouping of "ignorant people" because I brought up the United ads several posts ago. Has any LTP answered your original question? If not, may I offer a reason... What if I asked you a question like Why are you a moron? What kind of an answer would I get? Would you answer my question or try to disprove me? I'm willing to bet that I would get later choice. Why...because you are asking an insulting type of question. Everything I have posted on here has been an attempt to help you see another viewpoint. Then your post really struck a chord. Why are you such a p.o'd individual at LTPs? You may have to fly with one when you upgrade in a year and a half at SKW? Is that how long upgrades run there? Why is SKW such a darling that all the LTP there (yourself included???) are exempt from your scorn? Comair, Air Wiskey, Republic, PSA, etc for that matter
- You summed up my 500 word ramble very well! Good Post!
05-04-2007, 11:37 AM
#115
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A very heated topic. I thought me and Frat guy were gonna throw down but you guys got us beat. I still say its not a question for the low timers.
Its not even a valid question because its too late to do anything about it. The regional airlines cannot get people to apply because there a simply not enough people to do it. They had to lower the mins to get the quantity of applications up. By the time the low time pilot realizes that it doesn't really help things he's all ready on the line somewhere. The airline needs to work with in its budget so they can't just start upping wages, they won't be able to meet thier contracts with the mainline carriers. Signing bonuses (5-10K) enough to bring you up to second year pay might help but that just screws the last guy that got in before it.
Again its the pilots taking the big plane "second airline" jobs and working for peanuts that scare me, they know better but they are too "One for all, all for me"! Never caring how it hurts the cause.
I'd like to see guys with less then 1000 hours going to turbo props first, that would bring the skills up to speed.
Its not even a valid question because its too late to do anything about it. The regional airlines cannot get people to apply because there a simply not enough people to do it. They had to lower the mins to get the quantity of applications up. By the time the low time pilot realizes that it doesn't really help things he's all ready on the line somewhere. The airline needs to work with in its budget so they can't just start upping wages, they won't be able to meet thier contracts with the mainline carriers. Signing bonuses (5-10K) enough to bring you up to second year pay might help but that just screws the last guy that got in before it.
Again its the pilots taking the big plane "second airline" jobs and working for peanuts that scare me, they know better but they are too "One for all, all for me"! Never caring how it hurts the cause.
I'd like to see guys with less then 1000 hours going to turbo props first, that would bring the skills up to speed.
05-04-2007, 11:49 AM
#116
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I agree with everything you said Stilll Grounded. The previous 103 pages (ok, only 12) on this topic, got started on a pretty ridiculous "question" to begin with. The low timers are only doing what EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US has done...moved on to the next step. The difference is the current state of the industry. The people that should be questioned are the individual management teams, bankruptcy courts, and the voting members that voted in the "sub-standard" contracts.
I to, am very concerned about Skybus and the direction they are going.
I to, am very concerned about Skybus and the direction they are going.
05-04-2007, 01:21 PM
#117
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I will probably be flying turboprops first because i agree that it will help my flight experience and knowledge. Althought i may be hurting myself by doing this seniority wise because all the LTP's that go straight to jets will be way ahead of me. sigh (SJS)
05-04-2007, 02:03 PM
#118
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Nah, don't worry about that. T-prop experience is invaluable, especially if there is no autopilot. Plus, way more fun to fly. It's a pilots airplane vs. jet which is a computer programers airplane.
05-04-2007, 06:16 PM
#119
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Well, you might as well put me into your grouping of "ignorant people" because I brought up the United ads several posts ago. Has any LTP answered your original question? If not, may I offer a reason... What if I asked you a question like Why are you a moron? What kind of an answer would I get? Would you answer my question or try to disprove me? I'm willing to bet that I would get later choice. Why...because you are asking an insulting type of question. Everything I have posted on here has been an attempt to help you see another viewpoint. Then your post really struck a chord. Why are you such a p.o'd individual at LTPs? You may have to fly with one when you upgrade in a year and a half at SKW? Is that how long upgrades run there? Why is SKW such a darling that all the LTP there (yourself included???) are exempt from your scorn? Comair, Air Wiskey, Republic, PSA, etc for that matter
05-04-2007, 06:18 PM
#120
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Sounds good, then you are in the group. Nobody has answered the question why lowering standards to next to nothing is good for the industry, you are correct. Why??? maybe there isn't a good argument. That is a question that has an answer, maybe 2 sides but I have yet to see the other one. Why I am a moron... ???. People will be willing to accept less for their work when they have put less of investment into the goal. When you can become an airline pilot in 90 days and go to flying a 90 seat jet for Pinnacle why should you make more than $24 an hour for second year FO. I hope you are happy. People's progression to the next step at 250 hours to Mesa and Pinnacle and accepting it is killing regional pay. Regional pay hasn't really kept up with inflation, let alone the growth in the size of aircraft we are flying around. Until these companies are hurting for pilots it won't increase because others have to compete. Stop selling yourselves out.
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