Compass vs. Envoy
05-13-2019, 08:41 AM
#32
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If you anticipate more than a few years at any regional then your choices are much fewer for any stability.
Any wholly owned should be a first choice, I’d do Endeavor first, Envoy second, PSA third... even PDT; then both Skywest and Republic.
The smaller places will go through attrition based shrinkage, eventual mergers-consolidations and bankruptcy buyouts.
As hiring gets harder for smaller places it’s hard to upgrade or even hold your seat when not enough are coming in behind you. The mainlines control the flying. They aren’t going to starve their WO before taking the flying back to their own regionals.
PSA has a better QOL and pay right now, but Envoy is in negotiations to fix theirs. Oh, and even Envoy DECs are not automatically getting NY currently, so that isn’t an automatic as somebody had earlier alluded to.
If you’re going to commute. The WO travel benefits are better, and if it comes down to a compass guy or a ENY-PSA guy getting on anything AA/AE the compass guy is SOL. Same with Endeavor and Delta. Little things like getting your first commute choice add up to QOL over time.
Any wholly owned should be a first choice, I’d do Endeavor first, Envoy second, PSA third... even PDT; then both Skywest and Republic.
The smaller places will go through attrition based shrinkage, eventual mergers-consolidations and bankruptcy buyouts.
As hiring gets harder for smaller places it’s hard to upgrade or even hold your seat when not enough are coming in behind you. The mainlines control the flying. They aren’t going to starve their WO before taking the flying back to their own regionals.
PSA has a better QOL and pay right now, but Envoy is in negotiations to fix theirs. Oh, and even Envoy DECs are not automatically getting NY currently, so that isn’t an automatic as somebody had earlier alluded to.
If you’re going to commute. The WO travel benefits are better, and if it comes down to a compass guy or a ENY-PSA guy getting on anything AA/AE the compass guy is SOL. Same with Endeavor and Delta. Little things like getting your first commute choice add up to QOL over time.
Where are junior captains going? I can’t imagine they’re getting DFW, or that ABQ-ORD is a better commute than lax.
05-14-2019, 06:16 PM
#33
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How many D3’s do Compass guys get on AA/AE? WO pilots get 13 friends or other relatives (not including spouse, children & parents) they can give D3’s to. How many years at Compass before you get lifetime travel on AA/AE? WO guys with 10 years and age 55 get it... and your time at Envoy/PSA/PDT counts towards the 10 years when you transfer/flow to AA without any interview, medical or tests required. Just go to class.
They’re getting all 4 bases currently according to the Envoy threads, with very short waits for transfers it seems.
Just answering the guys question. I’m not a regional guy that needs new hires to keep coming behind him in order to upgrade. No skin in the game beyond passing on many years of experience commuting; and the advantages of being from a WO vs a contractor. I’ve been the guy to get on the 73 for the ride home while the Republic, Compass, TSA guys got left behind. Commuting is easier for a WO guy.
How do you list for AA brand flights? MyIDtravel? Envoy guys use the same listing tool as AA pilots. Use the same app for checking in, seeing standby list and available seats. You know if you’re getting on well before getting to the gate. That can be important when there are two commute choices at roughly the same time.
All regionals are not the same. They really are different. The similarities often end once you’re off the plane.
A final point is crashpads and hotels are much cheaper in Dallas and Chicago than in L.A.
Last edited by Cujo665; 05-14-2019 at 06:37 PM.
05-15-2019, 12:07 AM
#34
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Own metal always holds first slot for jumpseat. Nothing new there.
How many D3’s do Compass guys get on AA/AE? WO pilots get 13 friends or other relatives (not including spouse, children & parents) they can give D3’s to. How many years at Compass before you get lifetime travel on AA/AE? WO guys with 10 years and age 55 get it... and your time at Envoy/PSA/PDT counts towards the 10 years when you transfer/flow to AA without any interview, medical or tests required. Just go to class.
They’re getting all 4 bases currently according to the Envoy threads, with very short waits for transfers it seems.
Just answering the guys question. I’m not a regional guy that needs new hires to keep coming behind him in order to upgrade. No skin in the game beyond passing on many years of experience commuting; and the advantages of being from a WO vs a contractor. I’ve been the guy to get on the 73 for the ride home while the Republic, Compass, TSA guys got left behind. Commuting is easier for a WO guy.
How do you list for AA brand flights? MyIDtravel? Envoy guys use the same listing tool as AA pilots. Use the same app for checking in, seeing standby list and available seats. You know if you’re getting on well before getting to the gate. That can be important when there are two commute choices at roughly the same time.
All regionals are not the same. They really are different. The similarities often end once you’re off the plane.
A final point is crashpads and hotels are much cheaper in Dallas and Chicago than in L.A.
How many D3’s do Compass guys get on AA/AE? WO pilots get 13 friends or other relatives (not including spouse, children & parents) they can give D3’s to. How many years at Compass before you get lifetime travel on AA/AE? WO guys with 10 years and age 55 get it... and your time at Envoy/PSA/PDT counts towards the 10 years when you transfer/flow to AA without any interview, medical or tests required. Just go to class.
They’re getting all 4 bases currently according to the Envoy threads, with very short waits for transfers it seems.
Just answering the guys question. I’m not a regional guy that needs new hires to keep coming behind him in order to upgrade. No skin in the game beyond passing on many years of experience commuting; and the advantages of being from a WO vs a contractor. I’ve been the guy to get on the 73 for the ride home while the Republic, Compass, TSA guys got left behind. Commuting is easier for a WO guy.
How do you list for AA brand flights? MyIDtravel? Envoy guys use the same listing tool as AA pilots. Use the same app for checking in, seeing standby list and available seats. You know if you’re getting on well before getting to the gate. That can be important when there are two commute choices at roughly the same time.
All regionals are not the same. They really are different. The similarities often end once you’re off the plane.
A final point is crashpads and hotels are much cheaper in Dallas and Chicago than in L.A.
I’ll grant you their non rev, in general, sucks. Not even an peep of argument. So if that’s a problem for someone, they should consider that. I don’t non rev except for my commute, and the only direct flights from home to base were cp birds. My commute was as close to perfect as one could get.
We used to use myidtravel. That changed to an internal AA web application. Can’t remember what it was called but you could list, check in and check loads/see standby list...more than the smiley face.
My ORD Crashpad was not MUCH cheaper than my LAX pad.
I don’t have any skin in the game other than helping people get as accurate a picture as possible. Compass is not the best option for everyone, and neither is Envoy.
05-15-2019, 02:46 AM
#35
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I miss spoke earlier...not only do the get priority on jump seats but I’m pretty sure they get priority non revving as well. On company metal. If his commute is on cp jets he’s getting on unless he is bumped by another compass rat.
I’ll grant you their non rev, in general, sucks. Not even an peep of argument. So if that’s a problem for someone, they should consider that. I don’t non rev except for my commute, and the only direct flights from home to base were cp birds. My commute was as close to perfect as one could get.
We used to use myidtravel. That changed to an internal AA web application. Can’t remember what it was called but you could list, check in and check loads/see standby list...more than the smiley face.
My ORD Crashpad was not MUCH cheaper than my LAX pad.
I don’t have any skin in the game other than helping people get as accurate a picture as possible. Compass is not the best option for everyone, and neither is Envoy.
I’ll grant you their non rev, in general, sucks. Not even an peep of argument. So if that’s a problem for someone, they should consider that. I don’t non rev except for my commute, and the only direct flights from home to base were cp birds. My commute was as close to perfect as one could get.
We used to use myidtravel. That changed to an internal AA web application. Can’t remember what it was called but you could list, check in and check loads/see standby list...more than the smiley face.
My ORD Crashpad was not MUCH cheaper than my LAX pad.
I don’t have any skin in the game other than helping people get as accurate a picture as possible. Compass is not the best option for everyone, and neither is Envoy.
05-15-2019, 06:54 AM
#36
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Get your type rating, then fly 75 hrs a month for 15 months, upgrade, fly another 15 months, and move on.
If you are looking for a long duration AT a regional, there are many better options than Compass for those who like REGIONAL flying. If you are looking to get time and move on, not so much.
05-15-2019, 06:41 PM
#40
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I can't say how disappointing it is, as a pilot of a WO, to see how few of my co-workers bother to update their apps.
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