NY Times looks at pilot decline
04-27-2007, 05:12 AM
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Hey even FLA flying has come to a stand still in some area's. Take LAL, SRQ, and even KORL, Private flying has come to a very rapid decline since 2004. After the Sun and Fun @ LAL, it slams to a halt. SRQ isnt the best airport for GA since Delta and Airtran are all over th place, but Airtran and Delta have even started to back out.
Now don't think for a minute we don't have some weekend warriors out there fighting on UNICOM about what runway to use into KCHN while I slide in on final, but in total, it has really slowed down here.
Now don't think for a minute we don't have some weekend warriors out there fighting on UNICOM about what runway to use into KCHN while I slide in on final, but in total, it has really slowed down here.
04-27-2007, 05:14 AM
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Anybody notice how many Foreclosers there have been in the past few years? People just don't make enough money now and most are buried in debt, The "Middle Class" is not what it used to be, this country seems to be favoring towards, Wealthy, or Lower Lower middle class" either pay your mortgage, or go fly??????????what you think they are going to do?
04-27-2007, 05:15 AM
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If this helps you go to sleep at night, then by all means its true. In reality the pilot groups of all the majors are getting tired of their post 9/11 contracts and pay all the while the CEO's are walking away with millions.......................This is not going to last forever, look around Pilot groups are going to get back what they lost after 9/11..............
Look at the millions of dollors CAL is making, you don't think their pilots are going to stay with that sub-par contract they have do you?
Look at the millions of dollors CAL is making, you don't think their pilots are going to stay with that sub-par contract they have do you?
Virgin AM and Skybus are a window into the future. They are offering around 65K for captains and 30K for FO's. Everyone will have to sink to the lowest common denominator if they expect to survive. Pilots might win concessions at a few airlines but wages will never go back and have been on a steady decline since deregulation.
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04-27-2007, 05:18 AM
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I have paid for two college educations. One has an aviation related degree and one has an archeology degree. One makes more money then I ever made in any job, the other is unemployeable until PHD status is achieved. Guess which one is which.
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04-27-2007, 05:19 AM
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Everyone wants more pay, but this is a market economy. If an airline offers more pay to its pilots then they will have to give everyone else a raise to. In time the company will erode away at its base in comparison to its competition. (Example: DAL, UAL, AA Ect...)
Virgin AM and Skybus are a window into the future. They are offering around 65K for captains and 30K for FO's. Everyone will have to sink to the lowest common denominator if they expect to survive. Pilots might win concessions at a few airlines but wages will never go back and have been on a steady decline since deregulation.
SkyHigh
Virgin AM and Skybus are a window into the future. They are offering around 65K for captains and 30K for FO's. Everyone will have to sink to the lowest common denominator if they expect to survive. Pilots might win concessions at a few airlines but wages will never go back and have been on a steady decline since deregulation.
SkyHigh
Seriously, go do some applying, do what you enjoy.
04-27-2007, 05:21 AM
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Think of what a hard sell it really is to the public.
Come to the airport and learn to fly....experience the freedom....for 4 grand, you can have a piece of plastic for you wallet, and you can fly as long as the weather is good, and the plane is available. You can buy your own airplane for more freedom...it will cost as much as a house, not including insurance, storage, maintenance, and 6 buck a gallon gas. You can get your instrument rating for even more freedom. It will be like learning to fly all over again...then the weather won't stop you, as long as there is no ice, thunderstorms, and the weather is 200 and a half, or maybe 600 and 2.
It is a lot simpler for John Q Public to just go buy a Harley.
If you don't actually like the flying for the sake of flying, it may not be worth it.
Come to the airport and learn to fly....experience the freedom....for 4 grand, you can have a piece of plastic for you wallet, and you can fly as long as the weather is good, and the plane is available. You can buy your own airplane for more freedom...it will cost as much as a house, not including insurance, storage, maintenance, and 6 buck a gallon gas. You can get your instrument rating for even more freedom. It will be like learning to fly all over again...then the weather won't stop you, as long as there is no ice, thunderstorms, and the weather is 200 and a half, or maybe 600 and 2.
It is a lot simpler for John Q Public to just go buy a Harley.
If you don't actually like the flying for the sake of flying, it may not be worth it.
04-27-2007, 05:24 AM
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The question is if your aviation educated person works as a pilot or as something else? In addition it is certain that anyone 40 and under who has gainful employment as an airline pilot will not be able to remain as such until retirement. Every time the industry cycles it throws off more high on the hog companies and employees.
In general it seems that most college educations yield low paying jobs. Trade school is the future.
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04-27-2007, 05:27 AM
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AOPA has been desprate for years over this whole issue, and has found limited success.
It is a society thing. Many people here who can afford to fly have work and family schedules that simply do not allow for the time learning to fly would require. Now, even if they did, there is no way for them to learn here anyway.
GauleyPilot has no answer at present.
It is a society thing. Many people here who can afford to fly have work and family schedules that simply do not allow for the time learning to fly would require. Now, even if they did, there is no way for them to learn here anyway.
GauleyPilot has no answer at present.
04-27-2007, 05:30 AM
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I also do intend to return to aviation one day, however I believe that one needs to be financially independent first. The profession is on a steep decline. The results are worse working conditions but also I think it will open more opportunities but at impoverished wages and cruel work rules. Overall I hate being poor and a tool of management.
I choose life.
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04-27-2007, 05:33 AM
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Think of what a hard sell it really is to the public.
Come to the airport and learn to fly....experience the freedom....for 4 grand, you can have a piece of plastic for you wallet, and you can fly as long as the weather is good, and the plane is available. You can buy your own airplane for more freedom...it will cost as much as a house, not including insurance, storage, maintenance, and 6 buck a gallon gas. You can get your instrument rating for even more freedom. It will be like learning to fly all over again...then the weather won't stop you, as long as there is no ice, thunderstorms, and the weather is 200 and a half, or maybe 600 and 2.
It is a lot simpler for John Q Public to just go buy a Harley.
If you don't actually like the flying for the sake of flying, it may not be worth it.
Come to the airport and learn to fly....experience the freedom....for 4 grand, you can have a piece of plastic for you wallet, and you can fly as long as the weather is good, and the plane is available. You can buy your own airplane for more freedom...it will cost as much as a house, not including insurance, storage, maintenance, and 6 buck a gallon gas. You can get your instrument rating for even more freedom. It will be like learning to fly all over again...then the weather won't stop you, as long as there is no ice, thunderstorms, and the weather is 200 and a half, or maybe 600 and 2.
It is a lot simpler for John Q Public to just go buy a Harley.
If you don't actually like the flying for the sake of flying, it may not be worth it.
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