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Old 01-09-2019, 04:43 AM
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Over 400 Delta pilots live in Atlanta.
Sounds unlikely. Why would Delta pilots live in Atlanta?
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:31 AM
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I don’t give a lot of positive feedback when it comes to PSA, but I would have to say the Piedmont guys and gals have it much worse than we do. I would advise you to read their threads if you’re thinking about going there. I’ve read even their most senior pilots are only getting 11 and 12 days off a month while only crediting around 75 hours.
This is true...

At one point this past summer there was a month where only one line captain in the entire system got a line that did not get adjusted down to 11 days off by the time the finals were out.

With the opening of CLT line credit for some lines has improved from 11 days off @ 75hrs a month slightly (seen 11 days off with mid 80s) but pay is so low that after taxes/deductions the difference in pay is negligible.

If you’re considering PDT be prepared that trips credit a modified minimum day average of 4hrs/day. There are no high credit trips to swap into to make more money like you read folks doing at other companies with schedule flexibility. Plan on 16hrs credit per 4 day, 11 days off and 75hrs credit total per month and you won’t be disappointed.

For select people who live in base, or were hired in 2015/16 and will be on property the advertised 5 years to flow, PDT is/was a decent choice. Flow at Piedmont did not increase this past year the way it did at Envoy and PSA is approximately 10 years for new hires... aka so long It’s recommended as a non factor in consideration.

For commuters, life at PDT is rough.

Coming from the military PDT will be a QOL improvement however:

Don’t come to PDT expecting a quick flow
Don’t come to PDT expecting any flexibility in lines/credit.
Don’t come to PDT expecting massive growth.
Don’t come to PDT expecting an aircraft that isn’t the erj145.
Don’t come to PDT expecting a pay increase just around the corner.

As long as expectations are mangaged and one can drive to work a person will have an easier time at PDT. I would not recommend PDT for commuters when so many other options out there offer schedule flexibility.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RAHkid94
A great option if he doesn’t care about knowing when he can go home from work.
Can you expand on this? Talking about junior manning or having to call in for release? Is it still not better to have a 2 hr drive vs. hoping for a commutable trip with a flight home same day?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Republic or Skywest, whichever one would be the easiest for you to get to. As for the Atlanta base, it is damn near the junior domicile in the Skywest system:

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Yes Skywest has a lot of bases out west which is precisely where most of their pilots WISH to be domiciled. If you will fill a domicile out east VOLUNTARILY you will earn the everlasting gratitude of someone who does NOT wish to be assigned there.
Granted, ATL isn’t LGA, but either are a hell of a long two jump commute for a guy from Fresno.

It looks like the Republic bases that are a one-leg commute are DCA and EWR — but with just a couple of flights a day from SAV which limits my options. The PSA SAP would be great for scheduling but that takes awhile to kick in, and might not even be around by the time I’d be eligible for it?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JayD
I would think driving to CAE would be well worth the look. However there are several Republic bases that are one leg commutes from SAV. EWR, LGA, MIA, ORD, PHL, and MIA are all one leg commutes. Some are even on RPA metal.
Republic looks good and they’re one leg commutes, but with just a couple of flights a day each — how decent is Republic’s scheduling that it would be reasonably commutable on either or both ends without having to burn days off just getting to the base?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco
I second this as well.
Yes and Republic has good work rules—but would you take with the one leg commute over driving to CAE or ATL or CAE?

I appreciate all the insight and know these x vs y comparisons are annoying and impossible to answer fully, but the reality is that with no 121 experience and no obvious options (if I lived in a larger city and was a 20 minute drive from a base that wasn’t going anywhere), I need the perspectives to make an educated decision. Thanks.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
If you need specific days off then PSA’s SAP is a great tool. The difference though, at other places you can still get 16-18 days off a month and credit 10-20 more hours a month while doing so.

I don’t give a lot of positive feedback when it comes to PSA, but I would have to say the Piedmont guys and gals have it much worse than we do. I would advise you to read their threads if you’re thinking about going there. I’ve read even their most senior pilots are only getting 11 and 12 days off a month while only crediting around 75 hours.

I agree living in base is huge, but as I said earlier you can go to lots of other places and get 16-18 days off with more credit and higher pay rates on top of that. I don’t think I’d be ok with driving to work if it meant I had to be gone from home an extra week each and every month.
What are these other airlines that have 16 days off? I really don’t even care about the additional credit, and would definitely commute if it was feasible to do so and have that amount of time at home.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:21 PM
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What are these other airlines that have 16 days off? I really don’t even care about the additional credit, and would definitely commute if it was feasible to do so and have that amount of time at home.
I’m pretty sure besides Piedmont, at most airlines you’ll be able to get 16-18 days off once you’re off reserve. There may only be 1-2 others that you’ll be stuck with 11-12 days off.

It’s not everything, but why wouldn’t you care about the extra credit if you’re getting the same days off? If all else is equal why not go to the place that gets you 2k-3k more a month.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by harad
What are these other airlines that have 16 days off? I really don’t even care about the additional credit, and would definitely commute if it was feasible to do so and have that amount of time at home.


At Republic I’ve averaged 16 days off since I’ve held a line. Had as many as 19 days off, and as little as 14 (14 was my own fault, picked up a red flag trip for the $$$$ and burned a couple off days). I don’t typically pick stuff up though.

The higher your daily credit is, the more days off you can achieve. So you might not get the cushy 2 leg days with 18hr overnights, but I did 16-18 days off all last year and averaged 70hr block with 90+hr of credit. If you want those lower credit, easier days... there are plenty of those to be had.

If you are commuting to a hub base (DCA, LGA, EWR, etc...) it’s easier to same-day commute before and after trips. Outstation base trips are rarely commutable on both ends.


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Old 01-12-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by harad
What are these other airlines that have 16 days off? I really don’t even care about the additional credit, and would definitely commute if it was feasible to do so and have that amount of time at home.
16 days off commuting on one or both ends can easily shave 3-6 days off a month.

When you drive to work you can wake up in your own bed the first day of a trip and get lay down in your own bed on the last day of the trip and not worry about Wx/mx cancellations or getting bumped from a Jumpseat or having too low priority non rev to get a seat delaying when you can get home from work.
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