Window_Seat

Why not rip on pilot's for working for sub par wages. Without these sellouts these companies could not exist, leaving the flying and the jobs for the better companies. My company and some of the others have to lower their standards ie. pay to compete. I know this is capitalism but these people need to be held accountable for who the work for. So much of this industry is based on what other pilots are getting paid to do the same work. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THE BAR and put mesa out of business. Do not apply, do not work for these companies. If you do, join the mass exodus and get out.

Airborne

Yea right- It won’t happen as long as there are a huge supply of pilots and an uneven amount of jobs. (Hasn’t anyone taken Macroeconomics in college?) If you want to raise the bar then the only way it is to either increase the demand (which we can’t control) or lower the supply. Many flight schools are out there misleading students about the industry and job market, meanwhile filling their pockets with cash. Then the students graduate and realize that the job market is nothing what their flight school had portrayed it to be but have already invested too much money into the field to change careers.

If we want to change the industry we need to educate perspective students about the reality of the career before they enter and criticize those whom are misleading people about the career in order to fill their pockets.

Just the other day I was at an FBO and I overheard a CFI telling the perspective student about how well the industry was doing and how well the pay was. I had to bite my tongue. That CFI (NOT ALL) is one of the problems with the industry.
Just my 2 cents - not trying to start a flame war war.

DMEarc

Dude- are you even involved in aviation? Where do you get your facts?

Huge supply of pilots? If there were a huge supply why would airlines lower minimums? Use your brain man- you haven't a clue what you're talking about!

Pilot supply is at an alltime low. Private Pilot certifications are down 30%...Commercial Pilot applicants down 45% from just 2005.

Airborne

Like I said DMEArc- not trying to start a flame war here, just my 2 cents.
I think there is a shoratge of high time pilots not low time pilots - that is why mins are being lowered, payscales and QOL. Look a little deeper into why certificates are down, not the surface.

Sanchez

There is a shortage period as stated by the stats DME provided. Your logic would be right if there was enough low timers, there's just not enough folks to go around.

Ellen

There are plenty of other airlines to work for besides MESA. Apply elswhere PLEASE!

I have to agree that the way JO treats his employees (and planes for that matter .. .a bazillion of MEL's in each cockpit) that there are far better choices to work as an airline pilot than MESA.

Remember, getting the job is only a fraction of the battle. QOL (which INCLUDES PROPER PAY) and emotional/psychological stability also play an important role. Many of you are too young to even know what it is like to work for GOOD companies or BAD (MESA) companies because you are not old enough yet! My suggestiononce again . . pick a good company FIRST. Maybe you won't even need to experience a BAD (MESA) company.

blastboy

Because that's not what I do. Why should I give some poor a guy hard time about what airline he works for? He's got it bad enough working Mesa or some other lousy RJ. I'm not going to blame a guy for wanting a job. However, I'm certainly not going to recommend Mesa to anyone, anytime! I thought about working there myself until I learned some cold hard facts. No thanks! I'm still researching TSA outside of this forum as well as a few other RJs. But if all else fails, just build up the time and get the job the way the rest of my family did; with patience.

SharkyBN584

I feel absolutely no sympathy for any pilot that complains about working at Mesa. I would go so far as to say I hold them in contempt. They b!tch about what a terrible place it is but stay there because they would rather accept the sh!tty work rules and horrible pay for the quick upgrade and a shot at a major.

blastboy

I don't work for Mesa so I can't speak from an insiders perspective. But perhaps they didn't realize what they were getting themselves into. I wouldn't go as far as contempt but they should get out of the situation as soon as opportunity allows.

rickair7777

I did not realize what I was getting into...this was a number of years ago when even a job at mesa required 1500 hours and inside connections. My inside connection didn't really enlighten me much unfortunately, but mesa was nowhere near as bad then.

After I wised up and the place started to REALLY go downhill, I bailed. I waited longer than I should have, but I had a lot going on. Changing airlines is not something to be taken lightly if you have family and/or other responsibilities.

However at this point I am really starting to wonder about the folks who stay at mesa. I've helped 5 or 6 mesa FO's come over to SKW, but I was floored last week when I got a call from another old mesa buddy who wanted me to walk his papers in...this guy is an 8 year CA