View Poll Results: New FO in CLT - Which Regional?
Republic
15
21.74%
PSA
28
40.58%
Piedmont
26
37.68%
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Current opinions on regionals - new hire
06-09-2018, 09:47 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,091
People overhype flow on these boards. A couple of things to consider:
- Flow is not guaranteed and flow agreements have been broken in the past at the whim of mainline management.
- Flow is just like a faucet. It can close up or slow to a trickle at anytime the economy takes a hit. If the mainlines are hiring, it doesn't matter where you are working, you will move on.
- The Regionals who have flow consider flow a large part of their compensation package. In other words, expect to be paid less then other Regionals. They will have bonuses to get you on board, and flow to keep you there. They don't need to match Endevers or Republic's compensation.
With that said, there are some reasons that you would definitely want to go to a place with flow.
- You do not have a degree
- You have something on your record that would make it hard to be hired by a major
- You are just simply a bad interviewee
- Flow is not guaranteed and flow agreements have been broken in the past at the whim of mainline management.
- Flow is just like a faucet. It can close up or slow to a trickle at anytime the economy takes a hit. If the mainlines are hiring, it doesn't matter where you are working, you will move on.
- The Regionals who have flow consider flow a large part of their compensation package. In other words, expect to be paid less then other Regionals. They will have bonuses to get you on board, and flow to keep you there. They don't need to match Endevers or Republic's compensation.
With that said, there are some reasons that you would definitely want to go to a place with flow.
- You do not have a degree
- You have something on your record that would make it hard to be hired by a major
- You are just simply a bad interviewee
06-09-2018, 10:32 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,601
There are literally ZERO bad things about having a flow, only good things.
If the flow is stopped it’s bexause mainline is shrinking or simply not hiring. If that’s true at American than whatever market forces driving that hypothetical outcome would also affect Delta and United. Therefore no one will be hiring and it wouldn’t matter if you had a flow or not.
While the flow may be 7-8 years away for a new hire today, it generates constant movement off of the top of the seniority list. This is the most important movement for a new hire. Constant upward movement.
And concerning pay, it will continue to go up at the AA WOs, it is only a matter of time.
If the flow is stopped it’s bexause mainline is shrinking or simply not hiring. If that’s true at American than whatever market forces driving that hypothetical outcome would also affect Delta and United. Therefore no one will be hiring and it wouldn’t matter if you had a flow or not.
While the flow may be 7-8 years away for a new hire today, it generates constant movement off of the top of the seniority list. This is the most important movement for a new hire. Constant upward movement.
And concerning pay, it will continue to go up at the AA WOs, it is only a matter of time.
06-09-2018, 09:03 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 2,980
Anything that provides a predictable rate of attrition from the top of the seniority list and creates opportunities to build resumes through quicker upgrades, as well as opening up training center and LCA jobs is not bad thing...
Of course flows can stop when hiring stops... but if it’s stopped at AA in the next 10 years hiring has already stopped everywhere else.
Of course flows can stop when hiring stops... but if it’s stopped at AA in the next 10 years hiring has already stopped everywhere else.
06-10-2018, 05:44 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 319
Hey guys,
Getting into the 121 world... I know every person has a different experience, but am looking to get some inside perspectives on current situations right now with a few different regionals. Things change so fast, so looking for most up-to-date info.
Situation:
- Live in CLT area (~45 minutes to airport)
- Current offer in-hand from Republic
- Interviews set up for PDT and PSA
Let's say, hypothetically, in an ideal world I get an offer from all 3. I know big thing is to live in base, and I've read that PDT is opening CLT, and I've heard mixed things about PSA in regards to CLT base (8 or so months for FO to CLT, then forced upgrade at 1.5 years to be off base again as a junior Captain).
Other factors are benefits, pay, etc. I want to be able to travel with my gf, so there are obviously pros/cons for being wholly owned by AAG (PSA/PDT) and Republic (benefits at big 3 airlines, but low priorities) for non-rev travel.
In your opinion, what would you go with, and why? CLT base is high priority for me, but it's sounding like that may not be as feasible as I'd hoped. So, wagering in commuting between the 3 (Endeavor/Envoy currently not interviewing), is another factor as well.
Thanks for the help!
Getting into the 121 world... I know every person has a different experience, but am looking to get some inside perspectives on current situations right now with a few different regionals. Things change so fast, so looking for most up-to-date info.
Situation:
- Live in CLT area (~45 minutes to airport)
- Current offer in-hand from Republic
- Interviews set up for PDT and PSA
Let's say, hypothetically, in an ideal world I get an offer from all 3. I know big thing is to live in base, and I've read that PDT is opening CLT, and I've heard mixed things about PSA in regards to CLT base (8 or so months for FO to CLT, then forced upgrade at 1.5 years to be off base again as a junior Captain).
Other factors are benefits, pay, etc. I want to be able to travel with my gf, so there are obviously pros/cons for being wholly owned by AAG (PSA/PDT) and Republic (benefits at big 3 airlines, but low priorities) for non-rev travel.
In your opinion, what would you go with, and why? CLT base is high priority for me, but it's sounding like that may not be as feasible as I'd hoped. So, wagering in commuting between the 3 (Endeavor/Envoy currently not interviewing), is another factor as well.
Thanks for the help!
So, right now all these companies are offering bonuses, if you go to company A, get a $25,000 bonus stay 2 yrs. Then go to company B, get another, let's say $30,000 bonus, sray there 2 yrs, then go to company C, get another bonus, let's say another, $30,000 bonus, you would have in 6 yrs nearly, after taxes, almost in bonus $60,000 cash and approximatly 6000 hrs jet time. Now you have money and the hrs to go any where you want.
Have fun!
06-10-2018, 05:52 PM
#17
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
There are literally ZERO bad things about having a flow, only good things.
If the flow is stopped it’s bexause mainline is shrinking or simply not hiring. If that’s true at American than whatever market forces driving that hypothetical outcome would also affect Delta and United. Therefore no one will be hiring and it wouldn’t matter if you had a flow or not.
While the flow may be 7-8 years away for a new hire today, it generates constant movement off of the top of the seniority list. This is the most important movement for a new hire. Constant upward movement.
And concerning pay, it will continue to go up at the AA WOs, it is only a matter of time.
If the flow is stopped it’s bexause mainline is shrinking or simply not hiring. If that’s true at American than whatever market forces driving that hypothetical outcome would also affect Delta and United. Therefore no one will be hiring and it wouldn’t matter if you had a flow or not.
While the flow may be 7-8 years away for a new hire today, it generates constant movement off of the top of the seniority list. This is the most important movement for a new hire. Constant upward movement.
And concerning pay, it will continue to go up at the AA WOs, it is only a matter of time.
Besides that it’s all good.
06-10-2018, 05:55 PM
#18
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Here is my take, 1st there is going to be a down turn for the reginals in coming years, not because of the economy but, because of lack of pilots. Right now flight schools are find it difficult to find instructors. Who would thought you could be getting paid 30 to 40 dollar's an hr for instructing? Where do regionals their pilots, flight schools.
So, right now all these companies are offering bonuses, if you go to company A, get a $25,000 bonus stay 2 yrs. Then go to company B, get another, let's say $30,000 bonus, sray there 2 yrs, then go to company C, get another bonus, let's say another, $30,000 bonus, you would have in 6 yrs nearly, after taxes, almost in bonus $60,000 cash and approximatly 6000 hrs jet time. Now you have money and the hrs to go any where you want.
Have fun!
So, right now all these companies are offering bonuses, if you go to company A, get a $25,000 bonus stay 2 yrs. Then go to company B, get another, let's say $30,000 bonus, sray there 2 yrs, then go to company C, get another bonus, let's say another, $30,000 bonus, you would have in 6 yrs nearly, after taxes, almost in bonus $60,000 cash and approximatly 6000 hrs jet time. Now you have money and the hrs to go any where you want.
Have fun!
06-11-2018, 03:13 AM
#19
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,012
I have been watching these boards and their predecessors for a long long time. The hot deal of the month changes well, pretty much every month.
A couple of constants
1) commuting sucks
2) nothing is ever constant
I’d take PSA for the CLT base. Uncertain? Yes. Imperfect? Yes. But you’re highly likely to have some job near home for the indefinite future. That’s a good deal.
A couple of constants
1) commuting sucks
2) nothing is ever constant
I’d take PSA for the CLT base. Uncertain? Yes. Imperfect? Yes. But you’re highly likely to have some job near home for the indefinite future. That’s a good deal.
06-12-2018, 04:32 AM
#20
New Hire
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 9
I have been watching these boards and their predecessors for a long long time. The hot deal of the month changes well, pretty much every month.
A couple of constants
1) commuting sucks
2) nothing is ever constant
I’d take PSA for the CLT base. Uncertain? Yes. Imperfect? Yes. But you’re highly likely to have some job near home for the indefinite future. That’s a good deal.
A couple of constants
1) commuting sucks
2) nothing is ever constant
I’d take PSA for the CLT base. Uncertain? Yes. Imperfect? Yes. But you’re highly likely to have some job near home for the indefinite future. That’s a good deal.
Will update you guys on my decision (if I get offers), and the reasons for that. Any more inputs are greatly appreciated!
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