What will a 600hr CFI get you..
04-05-2007, 05:22 PM
#51
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04-05-2007, 07:24 PM
#52
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So what happens if the Capt becomes incapacitated? Stroke, heart attack, low blood sugar, attacked by a pax when going into the cabin to use the lav, etc. If you are in the right seat of any 121 aircraft you should be able to handle anything as if you WERE the capt of that aircraft! Basic airmanship and judgement should be solid before you fly pax for a living.
04-06-2007, 04:42 AM
#53
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Draw the line
The bottom line is that the FAA has determined that 250 hours and a commercial licence is sufficient for the FO and 1500 hours and an ATP is fine for the captain. No one has much of anything at those hours but it must be enough or else the standards would be different.
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04-06-2007, 04:44 AM
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The bottom line is that the FAA has determined that 250 hours and a commercial licence is sufficient for the FO and 1500 hours and an ATP is fine for the captain. No one has much of anything at those hours but it must be enough or else the standards would be different.
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This is true.. there are more experienced pilots available... they just won't come work for the wages being offered.
04-06-2007, 05:11 AM
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Yes
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04-06-2007, 09:02 AM
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What is the true responsibility of the First Officer? I always thought it was to assist the Captain. Just curious but a 600 hour Flight Instructor cant do this. I know the days of Gear up, flaps up, shut up are over but when it comes down to it what more does that FO really need to do. The next 900 hours or so is his time to learn from an experienced captain so when he moves over to the left seat he is ready. Is this the wrong way to look at it?
04-06-2007, 10:52 AM
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It doesn't matter if you have 250 or 2500 hours...when you are an airline first officer your ability to safely fly, manage, and land the airplane by yourself if the captain becomes incapacitated should NEVER be in question. If you can't be relied on to do that solitary function, you absolutely do not belong in that seat.
Some folks at 250 hours or 500 hours or 1000 hours have the skill, knowledge, experience, situational awareness and calmness to accomplish that...but some don't.
Some folks at 250 hours or 500 hours or 1000 hours have the skill, knowledge, experience, situational awareness and calmness to accomplish that...but some don't.
04-06-2007, 11:23 AM
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We can sit here and "what if" any situation to death. You should have basic airmanshi and judgement before you get to the interview. And as for both pilots should be able to handle anything. I can site many 121 accidents wher ether ewere "experienced" pilots onboard. The point is nobody is perfect and everybody makes errors.
04-06-2007, 07:12 PM
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i think i was around 10 hours when i went out one morning to meet up with my instructor to go up. we went out to do our pre-flight and there was frost covering the whole plane. he said "don't worry", left, and came back with a pitcher of water and just started pouring it over the wings... obviously the frost went away, but then it started freezing back into clear ice. he told me to hop in... i was like "uhhhh... isn't it bad to fly with ice on the wings?" and he's like no its ok as long as its not rime, it will start melting when we are climbing out, just make sure you build up a little more airspeed before you leave the runway. i was freaking out. but i let my airspeed get a little higher and we took right off and im still alive today. so i guess having an experiance like that with so few hours was good for me.
04-06-2007, 07:22 PM
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i think i was around 10 hours when i went out one morning to meet up with my instructor to go up. we went out to do our pre-flight and there was frost covering the whole plane. he said "don't worry", left, and came back with a pitcher of water and just started pouring it over the wings... obviously the frost went away, but then it started freezing back into clear ice. he told me to hop in... i was like "uhhhh... isn't it bad to fly with ice on the wings?" and he's like no its ok as long as its not rime, it will start melting when we are climbing out, just make sure you build up a little more airspeed before you leave the runway. i was freaking out. but i let my airspeed get a little higher and we took right off and im still alive today. so i guess having an experiance like that with so few hours was good for me.
I'm still amazed at some of the things that people do in airplanes and all the misconceptions out there. I guess all I can do is scratch my head and wonder...
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