What will a 600hr CFI get you..
04-05-2007, 08:52 AM
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Living in North Dakota...I pretty sure that a 172 isn't going to fall out of the sky with a bit of ice...and I know how to get out of it...my comment was toward the instructors reaction and toward the persons posting of low time pilots.
It just seems odd that a person with a lot of hours would make the descision to go up into icing conditions in a non-icing certified aircraft and in the same sentence down a guy for freaking out for going into IMC.
If I were a person on the outside looking in...I would say neither of them have the experience to fly in the airlines regardless of there experience level or the amount of hours that they have. Just my opinion...
Side note: I am not saying that the person that posted this is not a good pilot...just commenting on the whole situation
It just seems odd that a person with a lot of hours would make the descision to go up into icing conditions in a non-icing certified aircraft and in the same sentence down a guy for freaking out for going into IMC.
If I were a person on the outside looking in...I would say neither of them have the experience to fly in the airlines regardless of there experience level or the amount of hours that they have. Just my opinion...
Side note: I am not saying that the person that posted this is not a good pilot...just commenting on the whole situation
You're funny.. I'm an airline captain. When you're on an inst flight plan, you follow ATC's vectors, even if it should go through a cloud. If you find ice in that cloud that isn't suppose to be there, and your plane isn't suppose to be in icing... you get out.. very simple.. Hopefully I'm not moving too fast for you here 
04-05-2007, 08:56 AM
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You don't go into KNOWN icing in a 172, but casually finding it isn't a death wish. It requires some action on the pilot's part, which is my point... Also, he's the instructor and and the PIC.. his call... (I'm an ATP with over 5k hrs, but wanted to let him run his cockpit.. I just needed the check in the block). His panic was from never seeing it before.. Lack of experience. It's simple enough.. if you get into it, get out.. A simple call to ATC or just do it on your own and explain later. Either way.. my point is, it was his plane. His situational awareness was non existant and his ability to calmly react to the situation did not exist. Trust me, the situation wasn't dire.. If you think some light rime on a spring day going in and out of the clouds is terrifying conditions... you haven't flown in the Northeast much. I was told he was one of their better instructors before the flight...
04-05-2007, 09:00 AM
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Seem like you went up there to make the kid feel bad. You probably intimidated him with you 1000's. When I was an instructor and would ask my student if they went flying with someone with more time than them would would be in control, they would always say the person with the most time. He probably trusted that you wouldnt put him in a situation like that and didnt know how to react to it.
Not the case at all. The conduct of the cockpit was not about who knows what... not into playing games in the cockpit.. Before we flew he knew it was his plane. The whole flight he was very comfortable (until he was out of his element in the VFR pattern).
You seem to miss the point of the post. It's about having the level of experience it takes to fly for a 121 outfit and how some extra time prior to making the jump could be helpful.
04-05-2007, 09:01 AM
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I don't think this one panicky guy is representative of "the 600hr CFI" or other 600 hr pilots. Some are definitely more experienced even at the same amount of TT, some could be even worse than this guy. I had several hours of single pilot IFR in the NE by the time I reached 400-500. I have a CFI friend who is at 800 TT and has 25 actual hours just because of the region he teaches in. It just all depends on each individual.
04-05-2007, 09:01 AM
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You're funny.. I'm an airline captain. When you're on an inst flight plan, you follow ATC's vectors, even if it should go through a cloud. If you find ice in that cloud that isn't suppose to be there, and your plane isn't suppose to be in icing... you get out.. very simple.. Hopefully I'm not moving too fast for you here
04-05-2007, 09:05 AM
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IM AN AIRLINE CAPTAIN...WHOOOOPEEEE!!!! You follow ATC vectors....a simple "unable" would have worked. There is a simple instrument in the cockpit called an outside air temperature tube...if it below zero or somewhere close...your going to get icing. You know you probably did scare the poor kid with your attitude making him think you are some big AIRLINE CAPTAIN as you put it...
04-05-2007, 09:09 AM
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IM AN AIRLINE CAPTAIN...WHOOOOPEEEE!!!! You follow ATC vectors....a simple "unable" would have worked. There is a simple instrument in the cockpit called an outside air temperature tube...if it below zero or somewhere close...your going to get icing. You know you probably did scare the poor kid with your attitude making him think you are some big AIRLINE CAPTAIN as you put it...
You are funny...
04-05-2007, 09:09 AM
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Not the case at all. The conduct of the cockpit was not about who knows what... not into playing games in the cockpit.. Before we flew he knew it was his plane. The whole flight he was very comfortable (until he was out of his element in the VFR pattern).
You seem to miss the point of the post. It's about having the level of experience it takes to fly for a 121 outfit and how some extra time prior to making the jump could be helpful.
You seem to miss the point of the post. It's about having the level of experience it takes to fly for a 121 outfit and how some extra time prior to making the jump could be helpful.
04-05-2007, 09:11 AM
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I wasn't trying to hijack this thread...I just seems stupid to me that people are downing other pilots because they have little hours but you have big time "AIRLINE CAPTAINS" making descisions to flying through a cloud and its below zero...
I say if a person is smart (and I mean smart) enough to make it to the airline level...let them prove it and if they prove it let them fly.
I say if a person is smart (and I mean smart) enough to make it to the airline level...let them prove it and if they prove it let them fly.
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