PinnacleFO

We are about to be on the upswing in the industry as far as airlines being profitable. We all have been abused during this period and I was just curious what you other rj operators think we should be getting paid to fly these planes in the future as we negotiate new contracts with our managements. I know pinnacle will never even get close to getting this high, but this is what i think we should get over 5 years.

Discuss:

CAPT 50 seat CAPT 76 seat
1. 65 70
2. 70 75
3. 75 80
4. 80 85
5. 85 90

FO 50 seat FO 76 seat
1. 30 35
2. 40 45
4. 43 48
5. 45 50

Randolph

looks good to me, in a perfect world

ryane946

First officers need to start at at least $30 an hour. I don't care if you are flying a B-1900 or a CRJ-700. $15, $19, $21, $23 an hour for a pilot is a poverty wage. And that is unacceptable as EVERY pilot will have to go through that pay rate in their career.

We can talk about pay all we want. In general, major captains, major FO's, and regional capts make a decent wage. Should it be higher? Sure. But regional FO's make poverty wage at best, and that needs to be changed. That is the most important (everyone will have to go through it to begin their career)

skid

I see your point with the pay scales listed. I feel as a pilot on a 70-90 seat aircraft you should see pay somewhere around the numbers Horizon pays for the crj 700.

Now the only problem with the pay there is that you could be flying it and making the pay of a DHC-8 Q200. In other words....Pay at QX is seniority based not by aircraft you are flying as a FO. I feel that is a good way to pay your employees if you hire into 3 different aircraft types but I worked at QX for over 2 1/2 years and never made more than $29000 in any year. The fun of 2 + years of reserve. All in all we all need to be making more money. It is insulting to be in charge of all of these peoples lives and making this little money.

XtremeF150

That looks about right.
I hope you guys get this in your new contract.....but in this worls who knows. If you make enough to pay the rent mngmt will be looking for paycuts , as you would be considered over paid. We can't have pilots able to afford rent, more or less a house note. That would just be unthinkable and an obvious sign that they making too much right?

saab2000

ALPA allows ALPA carriers to compete with each other for the same contract, running everything down.

There needs to be a complete re-think at ALPA about how this should work.

Those numbers look similar to how the AWAC contract was before the concessions and how they will look again if the company is forced to go back to the old contract, as they should have to since the court has ruled that our current one was illegally put in place. I digress.

But as long as pilots sign off on, and ALPA continues to endorse, poverty contracts they will continue to exist.

Mosyslack

I am approaching my 4 year mark with Comair and I was finally starting to feel that I was making an adequate wage for what I was doing. My pay was frozen at $43/hr (CR7 FO) for the last year and a half. NOW...I am making less due to the vote on our bk/concessionary "agreement". I am moving down to $37/hr, I believe. I no longer feel like I am paid an adequate wage. Unfortunately, this is the way that the regionals going (kinda already been there for some places) and will be a struggle to return.

Now is a very critical time as there is a pilot shortage for entry into the regionals. What is the answer? Companies like Mesa need to be the next ones to step up to the proverbial plate, and raise the bar by some amount. I worked at Mesa prior to my illustrious career at Comair, and there needs to be a different result than the last contract that the Mesa pilots voted on in '03. Good Luck!

BTW...I am leaving the airlines due to the lack of pay/respect/QOL/etc...

Ellen

You need to add about $20/hr to the FO's wage (all years) and about another $10/$15 to the CA's as a minimum.

I understand that this may seem high to you, but remember, if you are really a PNCL FO, you have been anchored to believe that the wages you propose are more than acceptable, because you are currently dealing with such low wages already.

Don't forget as a Part 121 pilot, if you bust a regulation, on purpose or by accident as a 50 seat RJ pilot, you are subject to the same penalities and loss of certificates as the guy flying a 138 seat 737. So if you are subject to the same risk, why not the same rewards???

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I agree. I thought your estimate was very low. Pilot wages have been cut in half vs. 15 years ago. Why are we all thinking so small?

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I was in Chicago the other day, and saw a mag that listed the salaries of city employees. A meter maid that they profiled made something like 46,000 dollars a year. I saw very few under the 40k mark.

And you all are ok making 40-50k flying an RJ? Let’s step up our expectations a little.