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Old 12-27-2017, 05:06 AM
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I am a fairly young pilot who just got his instrument rating and want to fly for the regionals. I have legacy UA in my family (not pilot) and would love to fly for the majors in the next few years.

What is the hardest part of getting to the regionals? Is it money, time, lack of resources? Do any regionals offer resources or incentives that can fast-track one's career?

Any recommendations on what to do in order to get hired ASAP? Instructor, photography etc.

Thanks for any help,
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You’ll have plenty of good suggestions shortly. Becoming a CFI will help you build hours and up the aviation ladder. At 750 hours, photogrammetic survey positions will open up to you, as well as Part 135 cargo/charter flying.
If you choose the CFI route and can move to Florida, Flight Safety has a heck of a program that you should check into.
Don’t be in a hurry to get to 1500 hours, two years’ flying will give you the skills to last for a lifetime.
Alternatively, if you have the financial support and don’t need a job, buy a good airplane and fly the heck out of it.
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Old 12-27-2017, 05:33 AM
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Be sure to get your 4 year college degree before trying to make the jump to the majors. There are some fine schools where you can do on line classes while you are at a regional.

As has been asked a lot of times on these forums, what are the odds of getting hired by the majors without a college degree? I always tell folks between Slim and None. And Slim just left town.
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Originally Posted by Pokeysrider
You’ll have plenty of good suggestions shortly. Becoming a CFI will help you build hours and up the aviation ladder. At 750 hours, photogrammetic survey positions will open up to you, as well as Part 135 cargo/charter flying.
If you choose the CFI route and can move to Florida, Flight Safety has a heck of a program that you should check into.
Don’t be in a hurry to get to 1500 hours, two years’ flying will give you the skills to last for a lifetime.
Alternatively, if you have the financial support and don’t need a job, buy a good airplane and fly the heck out of it.
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You can get a survey job with a wet commercial. Pictometry season is in full swing but they might be looking for replacements at any time.
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As has been asked a lot of times on these forums, what are the odds of getting hired by the majors without a college degree? I always tell folks between Slim and None. And Slim just left town.
WO->AA flow, no degree required. So that anecdote is not accurate any more.
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WO->AA flow, no degree required. So that anecdote is not accurate any more.
Not technically required. But, how many without a 4 year college degree have been hired by AA the last year? Even with flows? Very few.

Want to greatly restrict your odds of getting hired by AA? Try getting hired by WO without a degree / no plans to get one while working there.

People keep trying to argue away the need for a 4 year college degree with the majors. There have always been cases. But ask those hired recently and you will find very few. But, but, but, there is a chance you say. Yes, there is a chance of winning the lottery. But would you plan on it for your career?
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Not technically required. But, how many without a 4 year college degree have been hired by AA the last year? Even with flows? Very few.

Want to greatly restrict your odds of getting hired by AA? Try getting hired by WO without a degree / no plans to get one while working there.

People keep trying to argue away the need for a 4 year college degree with the majors. There have always been cases. But ask those hired recently and you will find very few. But, but, but, there is a chance you say. Yes, there is a chance of winning the lottery. But would you plan on it for your career?
Meh. WO regionals don't give a damn if you have a degree or not. Your odds on getting hired by AA are restricted greatly by not working for a WO regional - who don't care about a degree. And getting one while working there has no effect on the flow.

I don't think you know what flow means.
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Meh. WO regionals don't give a damn if you have a degree or not. Your odds on getting hired by AA are restricted greatly by not working for a WO regional - who don't care about a degree. And getting one while working there has no effect on the flow.

I don't think you know what flow means.
I would be interested in current information (facts) on how many of the 3 AA WO that flowed (or were hired outside of flow) did not have a 4 year college degree.
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I would be interested in current information (facts) on how many of the 3 AA WO that flowed (or were hired outside of flow) did not have a 4 year college degree.
Any degree requirement is waived if you are going to AA via the flow through agreements at one of the WO regionals (this is negotiated in the contract).

Any degree requirement is not waived if you’re applying OTS (which you can also do) while working at one of the WO regionals.
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