Logbook Question: Ink vs Pencil?
12-07-2017, 09:15 PM
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Logbook Question: Ink vs Pencil?
Alright, stupid question. In my latest logbook, all of my line-item flight information and times are in ink. However, my page totals, and amount forwards at the bottom are in pencil. I'm not sure why I started doing this, but I'm sure someone, somewhere told me I should in case I made a mistake of addition or something, it would be easier to correct.
My question is, will this possibly be an issue for someone who is interviewing me? Should I change the entries to ink?
All the individual flights are in ink, but I don't want someone to show me the door for something silly like using pencil in a logbook.
TIA.
My question is, will this possibly be an issue for someone who is interviewing me? Should I change the entries to ink?
All the individual flights are in ink, but I don't want someone to show me the door for something silly like using pencil in a logbook.
TIA.
12-08-2017, 05:26 AM
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The FAR that details the logbook requirements is FAR61.51 (although there are other references in other areas). I have never seen anywhere that says it must be in pen. If it exist, I would love to see the reference.
What is does say is that "Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator". To me, that would mean that each "Administrator" may have a different definition of what is an acceptable manner.
I would suggest pen, and not pencil. Pen would always be acceptable, where pencil may not be.
But, I do not see it anywhere in the FARs that require it to be pen.
What is does say is that "Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator". To me, that would mean that each "Administrator" may have a different definition of what is an acceptable manner.
I would suggest pen, and not pencil. Pen would always be acceptable, where pencil may not be.
But, I do not see it anywhere in the FARs that require it to be pen.
12-08-2017, 05:54 AM
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Draw a line through the mistake or the entire row and start on the next row if you have to. I've never met anyone from the FAA that liked whiteout. Looks like you're hiding something. A line shows you made a mistake, but they can still view what the mistake was in case its important.
12-08-2017, 05:58 AM
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Nooooooooooooooooooo.
Draw a line through the mistake or the entire row and start on the next row if you have to. I've never met anyone from the FAA that liked whiteout. Looks like you're hiding something. A line shows you made a mistake, but they can still view what the mistake was in case its important.
Draw a line through the mistake or the entire row and start on the next row if you have to. I've never met anyone from the FAA that liked whiteout. Looks like you're hiding something. A line shows you made a mistake, but they can still view what the mistake was in case its important.
As far as ink versus pencil that's entirely up to the individual or a company that may hire them, it is not a regulatory requirement.
12-08-2017, 06:08 AM
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Nooooooooooooooooooo.
Draw a line through the mistake or the entire row and start on the next row if you have to. I've never met anyone from the FAA that liked whiteout. Looks like you're hiding something. A line shows you made a mistake, but they can still view what the mistake was in case its important.
Draw a line through the mistake or the entire row and start on the next row if you have to. I've never met anyone from the FAA that liked whiteout. Looks like you're hiding something. A line shows you made a mistake, but they can still view what the mistake was in case its important.
I disagree. It's a logbook with numbers, not an aircraft maintenance logbook.
Simple math will show whether or not you are hiding something.
My logbook is ink/green-out and I was hired the first-time at all four airlines I applied for in my career, one shot, one kill every time, including my present major airline employer.
An aircraft logbook is another story and the guidance you have given is correct in that case. Lining out math errors in a logbook just makes it messy and hard to read.
I used to do interviews, and I've seen logbooks with "Parker Pen" time (fake hours). A lot of correction fluid when associated with a given type of flight time (multi hours throughout logbook, for example) is a flag that something may be fishy.
12-08-2017, 06:55 AM
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Similar. Pen and greenout. Four shots, three kills, including a legacy.
I would use pen for line items, but in retrospect, pencil would be good for page and rolling totals.
I would use pen for line items, but in retrospect, pencil would be good for page and rolling totals.
12-08-2017, 08:39 AM
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